Author Topic: Chrono Trigger Original Characters : Your Thoughts  (Read 4200 times)

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Re: Chrono Trigger Original Characters : Your Thoughts
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2011, 01:51:47 am »
Maybe I shouldn't have asked here at all. I actually don't want credit for making Chrono Trigger, nor do I have some sort of desire to protect fanfiction's honor. I actually think 99% of all fanfiction is beyond stupid (I'm not necessarily pointing fingers at anyone here, it's simply made true by the sheer volumes of trash that pour into places like Fanfiction.net everyday). Asking in this thread only confused the issue of what I'm actually getting at.

Fanfiction.net is a joke, and not because of the multitude of bad writers who call it home.  The format is absolute crap - no better than your typical message board.  You can't indent your paragraphs like in a real book.  You can't flip pages like in a real book.  "Chapters" consist of one giant page.  And it is quite impossible to make anything look remotely professional.  How can anyone who aspires to be a quality writer take Fanfiction.net seriously?  The format encourages sub-standard effort, and that's exactly what you see when you read what's posted.  It's so bad that you don't even want to bother looking for something that might be good.  Honestly, a better format would attract better writers, or people who really want to improve their narrative skills and not just settle for less because it's fan-fiction.

That's my off-topic rant of the week.  Didn't mean to sound superior, but this subject really gets my blood boiling.  :x

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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2011, 02:33:46 am »
Clovis, the efforts in CTU don't go unnoticed. In fact, kind of just in general, individual audience members rarely if ever feel the need to tell a performer they did a good job, but if they don't like some tiny thing they throw it in your face. They will only applaud if the crowd is applauding.

My band has recorded a lot of music and played a lot of shows. Even if we mess up a song at a show, everybody in the room might clap. But post a video or a song we spent a ton of time recording, and we're lucky to get one comment. It's the nature of people. They want a show put on for them, then they want credit for the show.

Anyway, back to CTU. Whether there are original characters or not doesn't affect the quality of your product, you can easily do just as well expanding on existing characters. It just takes understanding. If your audience asks why a character reacted a certain way, and as a writer you did not intend for them to ask,  you're doing something wrong. I think your work is great, for what it's worth. I didn't mean to imply anything else.



And skylark, I read some of your Sea of Dreams parody, and it seems to be written in an almost sitcom or "Scary Movie"/"Airplane" sort of style, where almost every line is a joke. As you said, I found it to be hit or miss, but the problem isn't so much the writing, more the format. You do have potential, and I 'd like to challenge you to write something more serious, where the jokes are more of an afterthought. If you do (and you really should, if for no reason other than the fact that it's outside your comfort level) I'm sure you could come up with some really cool stuff. Try it, push yourself and outline a story, then write write write till you hate your keyboard (or pen, which is what I prefer) and write some more. The more you go into uncharted territory, the more ALL of your writing will improve.

One singing lesson helped my guitar playing, as did one drum lesson. You can defeat your boundaries once you see they are only built by you! :)

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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2011, 10:08:24 pm »
Well, I am only begnning the second act out of five, so I guess there's still time to take your advice into consideration. Of course, there will be a few serious moments interspersed, one of them coming up in about a couple of chapters. Of course, concerning everything else... I can't make any promises. :P

But yeah, movies like Airplane!, Hot Shots, and Scary Movie are a big inspiration for my parodies, as is narrating in a 'supercondensed' style. I can certainly see how it could come off as childish to some people.

My problem is... it's not a writer's block per-say, but I can't seem to get going back on the wagon. Of course there's also the fact that I have APD (just a step away from Asperger's) and I just can't seem to focus long enough.

But yeah, I'll try to take your advice to heart. Thanks. :)

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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2011, 10:02:33 pm »
Clovis, the efforts in CTU don't go unnoticed. In fact, kind of just in general, individual audience members rarely if ever feel the need to tell a performer they did a good job, but if they don't like some tiny thing they throw it in your face. They will only applaud if the crowd is applauding.

This is something I believe some part of me already knew, but I really need to remind myself of this sometimes online.

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If your audience asks why a character reacted a certain way, and as a writer you did not intend for them to ask,  you're doing something wrong.

I guess I should take solace in the fact that people almost never ask why someone in CTU did something, or at least not during my tenure. The most common exception is Cat, but I think it goes without saying that the viewers aren't meant to understand Cat at this point in time.
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2011, 03:11:29 am »
To Lennis:

That's how putting up stories has worked on any site online for story hosting that I know about, both the good and the  bad ones. Indenting isn't exactly a feature that was built natively into the internet. As for page turning, I don't see why people would want to abitrarily increase the number of times they have to click a link while reading a chapter. I don't think these issues have anything at all to do with the quality problems seen over at Fanfiction.net, as they're the same pretty much anywhere else online good stories are also held.

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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2011, 10:54:53 am »
As for page turning, I don't see why people would want to abitrarily increase the number of times they have to click a link while reading a chapter.

That would be a psychological effect. The more a reader sees, the less likely he/she is to put effort into reading. Page turning, or clicking a link to the next page, reduces that effect.

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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2011, 01:21:51 am »
As for page turning, I don't see why people would want to abitrarily increase the number of times they have to click a link while reading a chapter. I don't think these issues have anything at all to do with the quality problems seen over at Fanfiction.net, as they're the same pretty much anywhere else online good stories are also held.

Clicking a link isn't quite what I had in mind; I'm talking about clicking a button that immediately brings you to the next page without having to load anything - like a PDF.  Stories are best read in digestible chunks, which is why the growingly archaic practice of turning “pages” is important.  Imagine one of the larger chapters of my Chrono Trigger novel showing up on fanfiction.net?  It would be nightmarish.  I wouldn't want to read it myself.  No indents and every passage looking the same ad-nauseum?  Ugh...

Kodokami makes a good point, but I would take it one step further.  The psychological effect can also effect the writer, knowing how big his work will look on the screen and wondering if readers will even bother.  Big walls of text are often intimidating to readers, and the writer can become overly conscious of this and shorten his work to the point that it becomes shallow.  I would say this is at least a contributing factor to the poor quality of fan-fiction on the Internet.  Pages can help mitigate this factor.

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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2011, 06:45:53 pm »

*Chimes in*

I was introduced to this thread by a fellow poster, and I see that FanFiction.net is a source of frustrationm for (mostly) everyone here.

Here's a suggestion for solving said problems of FF.net:

- Write the story/chapter/whatever first (not in the website, but in a Word document.
- Save the document as a PDF file.
- Upload your PDF to a free file-sharing site (plenty out there).
- Link your story to FF.net
- Enjoy!

No more nauseatingly long pages to scroll down through. No more non-existent indents.

But ultimately, the best solution is something that I can't just post in here (as if it were that easy). In a sentence, however, I can say this to every writer on FF.net:

LEARN TO WRITE BETTER STORIES AND CHARACTERS!! :x

Take creative writing courses at a community college or an online class. Save us readers hours of aggravation from having to put up with your sloppy, flaccid writing and passing it off as legitimate.

Remember, we don't owe you a reading. You have to earn it.

Consider this: If I spend a couple of hours reading a story you claim to be awesome, scrolling down through contrived dialogue and cliched plot devices in the hopes of it getting better, and ultimately being disappointed in the end, I can't get those two hours back nor can I escape the fact that I've been lied to by yet another dime-a-dozen fan fiction writer. Haven't I learned my lesson yet? Better yet, haven't you learned your lesson yet? Either dedicate your time to disciplining yourself in the craft of writing, or else leave writing to the professionals.

 :oops:

...and now I'm done.
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Re: Chrono Trigger Original Characters : Your Thoughts
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2011, 08:19:06 pm »
There are very talented writers on ff.net, it's just that they're very few and far between.  I've read a few of amazing and creative stories on there.  I signed up for an account just to compliment one of those writers.  And I'm a very harsh critic, not a bad writer myself, and I've taken more than one college-level creative writing course, as well as majoring in literature.

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« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2011, 11:04:59 pm »
I will agree that there are few and far between writers on ff.net. I know as a writer I've picked up a few books on writing exorcises. I took some creative writing courses in college as well, though I will admit I still am terrible at grammar... never been my strong suite.

I agree with previous statements of it have a terrible visual format though. It's not that appealing.

I think original characters need to come from some part of their creator's soul. Whether it's the embodiments of darker sides of them, people they'd wish to be going on adventures they never could... the ones that I don't like are the characters that are one dimensional or over-dramatized for one form or another...

I loved CTU, I don't see it as a negative portrayal, rather a lighter way to look at CT. Clovis, I LOVE CTU personally. It always puts me in a great mood. I like what you do as well... perhaps we hear the negative more then the positive... which isn't fair to the creators because you don't hear the good, only the bad. Sooo hats off... I love Chrono Trigger Unglued!!

It's the same with Mega-Elixer. At the end of the day a writer is bound to look at characters in their own way depending on how they are trying to write. I know I love characters who are original but can fit in a previous established storyline such as King Zeal did in CT:CE... it seemed seemless for him to slip in to the story as opposed to other characters I've read in fanfictions who have stuck out as sore thumbs for one reason or another.


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« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2011, 11:15:46 pm »
I know as a writer I've picked up a few books on writing exorcises.

I'll bet those are popular among ministers.  :P
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« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2011, 11:18:29 pm »
A writing exorcise is what you do when you want to expel the bad writer out of a person. A most prudent and worthwhile activity!

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« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2011, 11:33:13 pm »
A writing exorcise is what you do when you want to expel the bad writer out of a person. A most prudent and worthwhile activity!

But imagine how many of those would need to be done... :shock:

Heh...

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« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2011, 11:40:09 pm »
'effin' spell checks XD Thanks guy <3 <3

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« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2011, 11:40:40 pm »
A writing exorcise is what you do when you want to expel the bad writer out of a person. A most prudent and worthwhile activity!

Damn straight. XD