7/2/05 - Which Gurus' invention has had the most impact?

[ZeaLitY]

The Gurus have had an incredible influence on the plot of the Chrono series and the quests of its heroes to save the world. Which of their amazing inventions has had the largest say, however? Please discuss this in detail, as it'll be used in an upcoming feature that compares and contrasts! There may be no clear winner.

[Lord J Esq]

I voted for the Ocean Palace. That's where it all began...the entire Chrono series began right there. When Janus and the Gurus were expelled, and Zeal destroyed, the later eras came into focus. Without the Ocean Palace disaster, Crono would never have gone on his adventure, and all three games would have been preempted. In that way, the Ocean Palace was the "Let there be light" of the Chrono universe.

[Eggith Cyrene]

I voted for the Chrono Trigger but i think the pendent is more important when i think about it.

[Daniel Krispin]

I voted the pendant. After all, the chiefest portions of the time travel may be attributed to it, and even the Epoch is not nearly so useful. After all, in almost all regards the Pendant could do what the Epoch did. The only uses in that time ship were to return to Zeal by another road, and to go to the other islands of the side-quests. The most important of the changes, especially the defeat of Lavos - and let us not forget the inital time-travel which began it all - may all be seen as an effect from the pendant.

The Chrono Trigger, however, in the guise of the Time Egg of Chrono Cross, could be seen as more valuable, as it is by its power that not only the world, but the entirety of existance was saved.

[LadyLife]

Ultimately, I think the Pendant was perhaps not the most useful, but the most important, according to the storyline. Think about it this way. Chrono Trigger started when a young girl (aka. Marle) was accidentally sent back in time via, the pendant. This caused a series of events that lead to the saving of the world on that groups' behalf. Take away the pendant, and what do you have? A normal, fun-filled day at the fair. Possibly with the conviction of Chrono being a kidnapper, but this time, I doubt there'd be any saving him, cause... well... They wouldn't know how to escape through that time gate in the forest.

So, in essence, the pendant was the first thing that made room for a plot, and brighter future, and a sequal.

[LadyLife]

Ultimately, I think the Pendant was perhaps not the most useful, but the most important, according to the storyline. Think about it this way. Chrono Trigger started when a young girl (aka. Marle) was accidentally sent back in time via, the pendant. This caused a series of events that lead to the saving of the world on that groups' behalf. Take away the pendant, and what do you have? A normal, fun-filled day at the fair. Possibly with the conviction of Chrono being a kidnapper, but this time, I doubt there'd be any saving him, cause... well... They wouldn't know how to escape through that time gate in the forest.

So, in essence, the pendant was the first thing that made room for a plot, and brighter future, and a sequal. And the hinge upon which every other item relied.

[Sentenal]

Well, I chose the Masamune.  I liked the Mystic War story arc more than any other part of the game, so I guess I'm biased.  But I'll rate some of the others:

Epoch:  Yes, important, but not the most important.  Main purpose, story wise, was to get back to the Dark Ages, and after that, not essential to the story.

Masamune:  I'm going to try real hard to look past my biased-ness.  The Sword that could defeat Magus, and the Sword that defeated the Mamon-machine, actually causing the Ocean Palace distaster.  Past that, its not much more important...

Chrono-Trigger/Time Egg:  Actually, pretty low on the list.  You can beat the game without it.

Ocean Palace:  To me, this seems a bit out of place.  A very imporant event did take place there, but that event could have taken place back at Zeal.  The only thing that made it special was that it was considered closer to Lavos.

Mammon Machine:  Very important for the Zeal story arc.  It was this and the Masamune that caused the Ocean Palace disaster.

FATE/Chronopolis:  Well, agian, my biased-ness got me here too.  I'll try to overcome it.  Of all the inventions, this was the most imporant (by far) for CC.

Pendant:  Well, kicked the series off, didn't it?  Very important.  I predict it will win.

Sapling of Hope:  What exactly did this do?  Restart the growing of vegition after the dark ages?  Meh, more important for the Chrono-world than the story.

[SilentMartyr]

I say the Epoch. In Trigger it allowed for the group to go back to 12000. Without that they would have never teamed up with Magus, seen lavos in action, or had seen one of the more powerful scenes for Marle in the game.

It was crucial to Cross because Bethasar would have never been able to go back to 1020. Without his help and influence in the time period, Serge's group would have never been able to defeat the Time Devourer and save Schala. Also he helped them escape that weird robot thing that wouldn't die (forgot the name :/).

[Radical_Dreamer]

Mammon Machine. Without it, Zeal never would have fell, and you wouldn't have needed most of the other Guru inventions. Hell, having a Lavos-conscious society at the time of the final erruption might not have been a bad thing.

[MitchelHunt]

same as radicaldreamer

[V_Translanka]

The Pendant started things off (or at least helped to) in the new timeline in CT...And it later became significant in Kid's hands in CC.

[Zatopek]

I went with the Mammon Machine, although it was it, the Masamune, and the Ocean Palace the caused the events the flung Janus and the Gurus into different times, destroyed Zeal, and sent Schala into the DBT.  A very difficult choice to make indeed!

[Sentenal]

Epoch =! Neo Epoch.

[Radical_Dreamer]

Epoch != Neo Epoch;

It compiles, ship it.

[V_Translanka]

I have very little understanding of the last two posts (not including this one).