A.D. & B.C.

[Daniel Krispin]

Peoples, why are we saying 'calendar'? This discussion is regarding the system of years, not about the ordering of months and days, or am I mistaken? For the calendar we use it, if I am not mistaken, very much based upon that of the Romans. After all, we have a month named for Janus, the last four named for the numbers seven, eight, nine, and ten, and two for Emperors, July and August. I think 'system of years' is a better term.

There shouldn't be any huge reason for Porre to change the calandar, as far as I'm concerned.  Just because an empire falls, donesn't mean you gotta change the system.  The roman empire fell how long ago?  It was like 40 A.D., right?  No one seemed too eager to change it.

As someone has already said, Rome did not fall in 40AD. In fact, it was nearing the height of its power in those years. I can't rightly remember, but I do think that 40AD was during the reign of Cladius, who was a good emperor following on the heels of the mad Caligula (and destined to be succeeded by the nearly as mad Nero, who was the last of the Julio-Claudians.) After that, we have the Flavians, which include Vespasian, Titus, and Domitian. Their reign lasts in the the early 100s. From then to the year 182 we have the Antonines, most well known being the conquerer Trajan, Hadrian, and the last two: Marcus Arelius and Commodus (who reigned 168-180 and 180-192 respectively.) After this there was some discord, with the military attempting to insert their own emperors, which I think eventually happened, as the next group were named the Severans. These lasted until the 200s, when there was a period of great disarray in the Empire. Finally order was restored under the Ilyrian emperors, the last of whom was wicked Diocletion. In the early ears of 300 (304, I think) a general named Constantine arose to rule the Empire, and it became Christian. But the fall could not be averted for long, and the last of the western emperors, Romulus Agustus, abdicated in the mid-late 400s to the barbarian king Odovacar - and, as Aitrus said, the eastern, Byzantinian empire, lasted until nearly 1500.

[Chrono'99]

Just for clarification, this quote wasn't by me. (I for my part knew roughly about those events that's why I spoke about the fall of 'half the' empire).

[Daniel Krispin]

Ah, curses. Sorry. Messed up in fixing up the quote. It's all better now.

[Salvadeiro]

I read somewhere that the Byzantines believed that the world because September 1st 5509 B.C., what role do you think this plays in the Chrono world?  (Sorry to revive such an old thread lol)

[arpgme]

CHRONOS AD BC is different  from ours becae they have our technology in 1000AD

[Magus22]

...yes, and one may even say more advanced in some areas.

B.C & A.D led me to believe that there was a Christ or messiah in the Chronoverse. God had good intentions of letting Lavos land. I mean look, we came in contact with the Frozen Flame, we were smarter and powerful, but with great power comes great responsibility, and Zeal abused that power and suffered its ultimate fate. In the future, nation didn't rise against nation though, except for Porre on Guardia. However, I don't recall anything ever mentioning what before and after 0 was...

[Chrono'99]

...yes, and one may even say more advanced in some areas.

B.C & A.D led me to believe that there was a Christ or messiah in the Chronoverse. God had good intentions of letting Lavos land. I mean look, we came in contact with the Frozen Flame, we were smarter and powerful, but with great power comes great responsibility, and Zeal abused that power and suffered its ultimate fate. In the future, nation didn't rise against nation though, except for Porre on Guardia. However, I don't recall anything ever mentioning what before and after 0 was...

"0 AD" most probably didn't exist, because the zero wasn't invented yet (that's the case in the real world). 1 AD is stated to be the year when the kingdom of Guardia was founded. The Millenial Fair is the kingdom's millenial fair.

[AuraTwilight]

So does that mean Guardia was founded by Jesus? Does that make the royal family the Holy Grail and thus the Da Vinci Code is true in Chronoverse? That'd rule.

[Daniel Krispin]

CHRONOS AD BC is different  from ours becae they have our technology in 1000AD

Then explain to me the crosses on the cathedral, and the fact that they use Latin phrases such as Angellus Errare - not to mention the fact that Cathedral is a Greek word, and demands the existance of a Bishop. Furthermore, what else would Anno Domini mean? I tend to try and reconcile this much as Hadriel does, with the real world. The Latin demands Rome, and that opens a whole lot of possibilities. You see, it never gives any information on what we know of as written history up until the year 600 or so. One could say, even, that the Chronoverse exists on a certain parallel timeline, where everything stays in relative accord (or the differences, such as Lavos, play no major part in changing the empires of the ancient and Classical times.) However, it seems, that after the fall of Rome there is a divergance. The Mystics come out of somewhere, and hence we have the Chrono world. Since things have already been changed, this ripple effect can make it possible that the year 1000 has higher technology.

In the end, I don't see why AD or BC or any different, or what they'd be. Somebody said that'd mean there might have been a messaiah of sorts in the Chrono world, but that doesn't fit, either. They're working on the assumption then that AD and BC are referring to a certain date revolving around such a figure. But what then do they mean? AD - in the year of our Lord. Latin. BC - Before Christ. Christ is Khristos. Greek. Latin and Greek. Hmmm...

About the whole Guardia and year 0 thing... that could just be a coincidental date. Why couldn't it have been founded in the year 0? Maybe it was a Roman colony to begin with, a general of Octavian Caesar Agustus, maybe.

Okay, that's reading far too much into it, I know. Just my own theories on the matter. Truthfully, they didn't worry about that in Chrono - that sort of not worrying about accuracy is its style. AD and BC are used merely because they're familiar. Latin is used because it sounds old and formal, Greek because it sounds scientific. The years 0 and 1000? They're good marks. The real importance, I know, isn't what they are, but the ideas they represent.

[Magus22]

"0 AD" most probably didn't exist, because the zero wasn't invented yet (that's the case in the real world). 1 AD is stated to be the year when the kingdom of Guardia was founded. The Millenial Fair is the kingdom's millenial fair.

Very true.

So does that mean Guardia was founded by Jesus? Does that make the royal family the Holy Grail and thus the Da Vinci Code is true in Chronoverse? That'd rule.

Makes you wonder. I wouldn't be surprised if Nu's were some type of Angel or something along that line.

And Daniel Krispin, you have some really good stuff to say there!

[Daniel Krispin]

"0 AD" most probably didn't exist, because the zero wasn't invented yet (that's the case in the real world). 1 AD is stated to be the year when the kingdom of Guardia was founded. The Millenial Fair is the kingdom's millenial fair.

Very true.

So does that mean Guardia was founded by Jesus? Does that make the royal family the Holy Grail and thus the Da Vinci Code is true in Chronoverse? That'd rule.

Makes you wonder. I wouldn't be surprised if Nu's were some type of Angel or something along that line.

And Daniel Krispin, you have some really good stuff to say there!

Well, in the Chrono world, 'angels' looks like Greek hoplites with wings. So proves the Saints summon.

[Radical_Dreamer]

CHRONOS AD BC is different  from ours becae they have our technology in 1000AD

Then explain to me the crosses on the cathedral, and the fact that they use Latin phrases such as Angellus Errare - not to mention the fact that Cathedral is a Greek word, and demands the existance of a Bishop. Furthermore, what else would Anno Domini mean? I tend to try and reconcile this much as Hadriel does, with the real world. The Latin demands Rome, and that opens a whole lot of possibilities. You see, it never gives any information on what we know of as written history up until the year 600 or so. One could say, even, that the Chronoverse exists on a certain parallel timeline, where everything stays in relative accord (or the differences, such as Lavos, play no major part in changing the empires of the ancient and Classical times.) However, it seems, that after the fall of Rome there is a divergance. The Mystics come out of somewhere, and hence we have the Chrono world. Since things have already been changed, this ripple effect can make it possible that the year 1000 has higher technology.

In the end, I don't see why AD or BC or any different, or what they'd be. Somebody said that'd mean there might have been a messaiah of sorts in the Chrono world, but that doesn't fit, either. They're working on the assumption then that AD and BC are referring to a certain date revolving around such a figure. But what then do they mean? AD - in the year of our Lord. Latin. BC - Before Christ. Christ is Khristos. Greek. Latin and Greek. Hmmm...

About the whole Guardia and year 0 thing... that could just be a coincidental date. Why couldn't it have been founded in the year 0? Maybe it was a Roman colony to begin with, a general of Octavian Caesar Agustus, maybe.

Okay, that's reading far too much into it, I know. Just my own theories on the matter. Truthfully, they didn't worry about that in Chrono - that sort of not worrying about accuracy is its style. AD and BC are used merely because they're familiar. Latin is used because it sounds old and formal, Greek because it sounds scientific. The years 0 and 1000? They're good marks. The real importance, I know, isn't what they are, but the ideas they represent.

I have to wonder why you consider as more of coincidence in game occurences than correlations with the outside world. Clearly, Guardia being 1000 years old in 1000AD was a deliberate choice. The dominance of Christianity in the western world was not a choice made by anyone, least of all the Japanese developers of Chrono Trigger a milenium after the fact.

[Chrono'99]

Well, in the Chrono world, 'angels' looks like Greek hoplites with wings. So proves the Saints summon.

They look like typical Italian Putti (little winged babies) when you use a Revive or a Life spell in CT.

[Daniel Krispin]

Well, in the Chrono world, 'angels' looks like Greek hoplites with wings. So proves the Saints summon.

They look like typical Italian Putti (little winged babies) when you use a Revive or a Life spell in CT.

Well, it never specifically says those are angels, though (but they do look like what we here usually call Cherubim). The only direct references to angels that I can now recall are Angelus Errare, where of course there is no physical representation, and the description of 'Saints', where they say that they are angels.

And in regards to Radical Dreamer... well, I tend to wish there to be a direct correlation with the real world - that is usually the way I think. But I was trying to be realistic, and I think realistically it served as nothing more than sorts of abstract concepts, archetypes of years that the CT writers made use of.

[GavenDrake]

i dont think its appropriate for them to use A.D. and B.C. coz they have an entirely new world and the christ event never happened there...i mean duh, mystics in 1999 obviously isnt down to earth thing, and there are no related event that would describe an event responsible for abreviation A.D. nor B.C. at least none that i know of on the game......