Why Crono?

[AuraTwilight]

Yea I know. I never said anything about the Grandfather effect. >_> Read again, Sherlock.

[Legend of the Past]

...right. I think Lavos only brought the city of Chronopolis back for the Home/Another effect. Chronopolis, really, doesn't effect the Time Devourer, which I think is even beyond Lavos' plotting. Hey, the Time Devourer, when complete, would be a new entity, not Lavos. And when it eats time, Lavos would be eaten as well. He can NOT benefit from this.

Sounds like a grandfather effect to me. It's like you said that if he'd devour Lavos, he'd cease to exist.

Plus, like he'd care about another version of himself. He wants to eat, and he dosen't care what to eat.

[AuraTwilight]

no, LAVOS would cease to exist. The Time Devourer is a new entity from Lavos, who would eat Lavos. Thusly, Lavos doesn't benefit, so there's no point for Lavos to plan this out. The Time Devourer was a FLUKE

[Legend of the Past]

no, LAVOS would cease to exist. The Time Devourer is a new entity from Lavos, who would eat Lavos. Thusly, Lavos doesn't benefit, so there's no point for Lavos to plan this out. The Time Devourer was a FLUKE

Plus, like he'd care about another version of himself.

Lavos planned to evolve so he could devour himself along the way. He woulden't care about his past self, only about his present self! Lavos marks one third of the TD (At least), thus, he's still there. The TD IS Lavos, only by virtue Lavos' mind is the one in chrage of this merge. He planned it, and he dosen't care a past self. Only about a present self.

[jotabe1789]

Furthermore, being enclosed in the tesseract (that is like an independent bubble of space-time), the Time Devourer would be quite safe from any grandfather paradox.

[Sentenal]

Lavos MUST have pulled back Chronopolis AFTER his defeat.  Think about it:  Things don't happen until they are actually done.  So, Chronopolis, in the saved timeline, wouldn't exist until its built, and its only built AFTER lavos is defeated.

And the TD is lavos with super Schala powers.

Firstly, Crono is only human, and even though he was important to the timeline, his death was inevidable, or...something.

Serge is only human, and hes important to the new, el nido timeline, being the Arbiter of the Flame, and his death WAS inevidable, as Crono-Ghost says.  So why is that different than Crono's death, the person who defeated Lavos, and saved the future?

[jotabe1789]

Waitasec... i thought the time crash was something that, somehow, had been designed by the gurú of time...

[Legend of the Past]

Everything was foreseen by Belthasar (Who's the Guru of Reason, by the way, not of Time), who had just dropped the first stone when he founded Chronopolis. He foresaw everything Lavos would do.

[Lordchander]

What would Gaspar have to do with Project Kid? For all we know, he's probably smokin' with Spekkio as we speak.

Spekkio: Need a lighter?

Gaspar: Sure

Spekkio: *uses fire magic on Gaspar's cigarette and burns it completely*

Gaspar: Good work you SOB!!!

 

[AuraTwilight]

Lavos planned to evolve so he could devour himself along the way. He woulden't care about his past self, only about his present self! Lavos marks one third of the TD (At least), thus, he's still there. The TD IS Lavos, only by virtue Lavos' mind is the one in chrage of this merge. He planned it, and he dosen't care a past self. Only about a present self.

Evidence? No? Oh. The Time Devourer thing was a fluke, there's no other explaination. And the merged being, while containing Lavos, was probably a new consciousness. Afterall, why would Lavos just create better spawn in (his) ideal future if he's planning to just eat the universe?

Serge is only human, and hes important to the new, el nido timeline, being the Arbiter of the Flame, and his death WAS inevidable, as Crono-Ghost says. So why is that different than Crono's death, the person who defeated Lavos, and saved the future?

When Crono died, he had already fulfilled his destiny. Serge is the Arbiter of the Flame, and he still has stuff to do. Plus Schala, who's pretty much a God at that point in time, probably messed it up.

[Legend of the Past]

Lavos planned to evolve so he could devour himself along the way. He woulden't care about his past self, only about his present self! Lavos marks one third of the TD (At least), thus, he's still there. The TD IS Lavos, only by virtue Lavos' mind is the one in chrage of this merge. He planned it, and he dosen't care a past self. Only about a present self.

Evidence? No? Oh. The Time Devourer thing was a fluke, there's no other explaination. And the merged being, while containing Lavos, was probably a new consciousness. Afterall, why would Lavos just create better spawn in (his) ideal future if he's planning to just eat the universe?

Evidence? No? Oh.

He would not be a new consiouness, because the game STATES Schala and Lavos had seperate mindsets. If they WOULD have had a combined thinking, why, Schala would have the parasite's mind. The TD is no longer Lavos by race, by genes. Not by mind. Why else would he send Chronopolis back in time? So the Planet could send a weapon of it's own, a biological weapon, that has genes he can merge with.

If you can't understand it this way, let's play connect the dots:

   This was done so that it
   would serve as a counter-
   balance against Chronopolis,
   which Lavos pulled here.

Belthasar:
   The one who connects with
   the Frozen Flame, in effect,
   links with Lavos itself.

  The actual Dragon God
   was consumed long ago,
   in the distant past...
   Integrated by the entity
   known as Lavos in a time
   on the other side of the
   dimensional darkness.

  It was FATE that used the power
   of the Flame to seal up the
   Dragon Gods.

Therefore: Lavos sent back Chronopolis. Chronopolis and Dinopolis war. Dinopolis loses. DG sealed by FF, and forms a link with Lavos along the way. DG devoured to the link.

If so, Lavos sent him back to have him devoured. Pretty smart action. Making a scheme so great that uses entire dimensions must mark great cunning and power.

[Beer Pope]

The only doubt I have is about the notion that Lavos planned to be defeated.

On another note, go fight the fused dragon god.  Why is it called Time Devourer?

[Daniel Krispin]

The only doubt I have is about the notion that Lavos planned to be defeated.

On another note, go fight the fused dragon god.  Why is it called Time Devourer?

A mistranslation, actually. I think it was originally the Lunar Dragon, or something akin to that, and the last one was the Time Devourer. Somewhere along the way into the English translation, someone decided to name both the same, I guess supposing that since the Lunar Dragons was under the TD's control, and consumed by it, it might be seen as an emmanation of it, and thus gave it the same name. It does make it a little confusing, though.

[Beer Pope]

Wow, that clears up a number of things.  Thank you.

[Legend of the Past]

The only doubt I have is about the notion that Lavos planned to be defeated.

On another note, go fight the fused dragon god.  Why is it called Time Devourer?

A mistranslation, actually. I think it was originally the Lunar Dragon, or something akin to that, and the last one was the Time Devourer. Somewhere along the way into the English translation, someone decided to name both the same, I guess supposing that since the Lunar Dragons was under the TD's control, and consumed by it, it might be seen as an emmanation of it, and thus gave it the same name. It does make it a little confusing, though.

In fact I read in a site that it's NOT a mistranslation. Someone (Who knows japaenese) translated of this owner of this site the name, and it's not a translation error. The DG is the TD's link to the dimensiones, from which he can carefully watch over his plan... Therefore, in a way, the DG on top of TT is the TD.