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« Reply #165 on: July 28, 2005, 05:57:13 pm »
Oh, I found the full article. It's from here: http://home.earthlink.net/~letrimh/inquiry.htm

 This is difficult to explain and does not have a clear answer. Let me first dispel a rumour which states that the being atop Terra Tower should rightfully be called the Fused Dragon, or as some say, the Lunar Dragon. I have on good authority statements of those who have played the Japanese version of Chrono Cross citing that the creature is in fact called the Devourer of Time (toki wo kurau mono) . No errors in translation were made, so let us now see why this Dragon God is also referred to as a Time Devourer.

First let us be clear on our definitions. For this piece I will use "Time Devourer" to refer to the Lavos/Schala hybrid found in the Darkness Beyond Time, and "Dragon God" to refer to the Dragonian‘s biological supercomputer. Belthasar tells us that the Dragon God was consumed in the distant past by the Time Devourer. Since the Devourer exists independent of the timeline in which the Dragon God exists we have to find a way to explain how the two came into contact. We also know that the Frozen Flame provides a link to Lavos, or more correctly, the Time Devourer. The hypothesis that is commonly accepted is that when FATE used the Frozen Flame to divide and seal the Dragon God a link was formed between the Dragon and the Devourer. As the two became connected Lavos, in a sense, "devoured" the Dragon God and the two became merged physically. From that point onward the six dragon gods of El Nido were merely temporal projections originating from the Darkness of Time. Because of this they physically existed in both Home and Another Worlds, but by the same token they also did not truly exist there, so to speak. Their true body was apart of the Devourer inside the Darkness of Time. Because they were projections they were not subject to the laws of physics that everything else must obey.

As a result they were not fully confined to any one dimension. It is likely that before the time split of 1010 AD all six dragons resided on El Nido, each to their respective isle. When the dimension became divided the dragons, either by choice or by force, were also divided, three to a world. The dragons also appear to be able to drift between the two dimensions, as seen when the Sky Dragon appeared in the Dead Sea of Home World. Shortly before the dragons merged all six congregated in the skies of Another World.

Now to answer this question. Since the Dragon God eventually became a part of the Time Devourer we can rightfully refer to the "Dragon God" seen in Chrono Cross as being the Time Devourer since by this stage it is only a projection emanating from within the Darkness of Time. Confusing, yes? After the Dragon God is defeated atop Terra Tower it can be seen to fade out of existence temporarily. This is because it does not exist in the dimension in the way Serge does. With its temporal projection destroyed the representation of the Dragon God disappeared. To full destroy the true Time Devourer, the being that absorbed the Dragon God, one must travel to the source: the Darkness of Time. Incidentally, because of their merger the Time Devourer can be seen to have a tail. As neither Lavos or Schala had a tail, many believe this was formed as a result of the consumption of the Dragon God. Note that even though the Dragon God was a projection, it still retained its own will and original personality. It acted on its own desires, not those of Lavos.

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Some things can be argued, but it answeres the question above neatly enough.

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« Reply #166 on: July 28, 2005, 07:34:53 pm »
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Serge is only human, and hes important to the new, el nido timeline, being the Arbiter of the Flame, and his death WAS inevidable, as Crono-Ghost says. So why is that different than Crono's death, the person who defeated Lavos, and saved the future?



When Crono died, he had already fulfilled his destiny. Serge is the Arbiter of the Flame, and he still has stuff to do. Plus Schala, who's pretty much a God at that point in time, probably messed it up.

Eh, Crono was killed at the Ocean palace, BEFORE he killed Lavos, so no, he had not fulfilled his destiny.

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« Reply #167 on: July 28, 2005, 07:41:55 pm »
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Serge is only human, and hes important to the new, el nido timeline, being the Arbiter of the Flame, and his death WAS inevidable, as Crono-Ghost says. So why is that different than Crono's death, the person who defeated Lavos, and saved the future?



When Crono died, he had already fulfilled his destiny. Serge is the Arbiter of the Flame, and he still has stuff to do. Plus Schala, who's pretty much a God at that point in time, probably messed it up.

Eh, Crono was killed at the Ocean palace, BEFORE he killed Lavos, so no, he had not fulfilled his destiny.


Unless he's talking about his supposed death in the hands of those filthy Porre dogs during the occupation of Guardia. Bastards.

Plus the fact I've already presented the theory of why both were revived by Time Eggs but only one of them caused a split. Kid must have forgotten to use a Clone, breaking all logic of the very event. So the timeline had simpley continued as if Kid never uses a Time Egg, and the Timeline in which Serge lives... Well, Kid STILL saved Serge, although she broke the logic. So another dimension, possibly even somewhat of PD exists, and that becomes Home World.

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« Reply #168 on: July 29, 2005, 05:20:34 am »
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Well, all I can say is, ":O".  TO THE TEXT DUMP-MOBILE! If I can find what I'm looking for, then this should even be somewhat reinforced by the translated script.

Nevermind, I was thinking of something else, still settles something though.

Quote from: Kid, after FATE is defeated
In the year 2400, during a
   counter-time experiment, the
   Flame goes out of control...
   This causes the dimensions
   to rip apart, resultin' in
   the Time Crash.
   Engulfed in an enormous
   dimensional vortex,
   Chronopolis was hurled ten
   thousand years back in time.
   Perhaps it was the awakenin'
   Lavos who pulled the Frozen
   Flame back through time to it.
   Maybe so that Lavos, who saw
   the possibility that some young
   adventurers might destroy it,
   could create a backup plan.


He foresaw being defeated by a few humans?  Lavos has some mad Tarot skills.

How does Kid know all of this? Is she feigning ignorance up to this point?

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« Reply #169 on: July 29, 2005, 09:18:22 pm »
Okay, someone mentioned "thusly" a while ago...And, I have to admit, I use it. It MAY be a word, but that doesn't mean that people should use it. It's unnecessary. Thus is what you mean. If I may quote William Strunk and E.B. White's The Elements of Style...

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An Approach to Style

12. Do not construct awkward adverbs.

Adverbs are easy to build. Take an adjective or a participle, add -ly, and behold! you have an adverb. But you'd probably be better off without it. Do not write tangledly. The word itself is a tangle. Do not write tiredly. Nobody says tanbledly and not many people say tiredly. Words that are not used orally are seldom the ones to put on paper.

He climbed tiredly to bed--->He climbed wearily to bed.
The lamp cord lay tanbledly beneath her chair-->The lamp cord lay in tangles beneath her chair.

Do not dress words up by adding -ly to them, as though putting a hat on a horse.

overly---->over
muchly--->much
thusly---->thus

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« Reply #170 on: July 29, 2005, 09:39:04 pm »
Lavos was already dead and in the DBT, but because the FF was out in the world, he was going to suck the FF back in time, probably to the Ocean Palace disaster, from when he first appeared out of his Pocket Dimension to get himself another go at being revived.

As for Kid, Belthasar probably told her because she talked with him before saving Serge via the Neo Epoch.

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« Reply #171 on: July 29, 2005, 11:39:53 pm »
That's what I thought. After playing through the rest of the game, I noticed something odd:  Belthasar says almost the exact same thing after you beat "Time Devourer". So he likely told Kid what was going on.

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« Reply #172 on: July 30, 2005, 02:37:47 pm »
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Eh, Crono was killed at the Ocean palace, BEFORE he killed Lavos, so no, he had not fulfilled his destiny.


Oh, you've been thinking about Crono's ingame death? I've been talking about his natural, inevidable death that would happen after the events of Chrono Trigger. (If that's even technically possible)

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« Reply #173 on: July 30, 2005, 02:43:15 pm »
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Eh, Crono was killed at the Ocean palace, BEFORE he killed Lavos, so no, he had not fulfilled his destiny.


Oh, you've been thinking about Crono's ingame death? I've been talking about his natural, inevidable death that would happen after the events of Chrono Trigger. (If that's even technically possible)


Last time I checked Crono wasn't immortal, so he would eventually die.

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« Reply #174 on: July 30, 2005, 04:53:25 pm »
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Eh, Crono was killed at the Ocean palace, BEFORE he killed Lavos, so no, he had not fulfilled his destiny.


Oh, you've been thinking about Crono's ingame death? I've been talking about his natural, inevidable death that would happen after the events of Chrono Trigger. (If that's even technically possible)


It is quiet possible he died in the Porrean invasion to Guardia. The dogs. Porre should burn in hell fire. Crono made the mayor a good man, and THIS is how they repay him?!

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« Reply #175 on: July 30, 2005, 10:52:51 pm »
Regardless of what happened to the time travelers, they were most likely restored in the "Ideal" timeline after Chrono Cross.

I think it very unlikely that Porre was in any way responsible for Crono and Marle's apparent disappearance in the "Keystone 2" timeline.  Either the travelers stood aside of their own free will, or a powerful entity like FATE opposed them.

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« Reply #176 on: July 31, 2005, 03:06:35 am »
Say Crono and Marle are dressed in all their best armor and wear their best weapons. 100,000 Porre troops come at them, each of them takes down one HP, and they all fire at once. Even with 9999 HP each, Crono and Marle would still bite the dust.

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« Reply #177 on: July 31, 2005, 03:14:33 am »
Basically, they had no hope watsoever?

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« Reply #178 on: July 31, 2005, 06:14:45 am »
Where the heck are they gonna face 100,000 troops all at once? That doesn't sound very tactical...Plus, you gotta keep in mind that Crono's super fast, especially if boosted by Marle's Haste spell. He could take out quite a few with a few well-placed Luminaire attacks. Marle, while she isn't the best, is Mrs. Healy McSupportcharacter after all...

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« Reply #179 on: July 31, 2005, 06:18:28 am »
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Say Crono and Marle are dressed in all their best armor and wear their best weapons. 100,000 Porre troops come at them, each of them takes down one HP, and they all fire at once. Even with 9999 HP each, Crono and Marle would still bite the dust.


By these standards, both Crono and Marle would only by down to 50% HP.

I do feel that the Porre uprising is still a viable possiblity as to explaining the whereabouts of Crono and Marle in the Keystone-2 timeline. At that time, Crono was the heir (or maybe already King) to the throne and from the speculation I've read on the motivation behind his personality, he probably would have gone to fight the good fight for King and Country. Marle.. maybe, maybe not. But I would think she would go as well.

If they had access to their magical abilities, at this point the Porre army would probably have experienced massive amounts of ownage. But had they not had that access, Crono and Marle could be pushing up daisies.

Did the Porre uprising happen in both Home and Another? If so, it may have unfortunately been inevitable. Otherwise I'd agree that the travellers would have been restored in the ideal timeline.