question about original timeline Zeal

[dick]

what happened to the mammon machine and Zeal in the original timeline..
before crono and friends changed history..


how did Zeal come to an end?
why didnt the queen connect with lavos like she did when crono tried to stop her?
how did melchior end up in 1000AD when he wasn't rescued wrom mount Woe?

anyone has any answers on this?

[Legend of the Past]

how did Zeal come to an end?

Schala teleported herself and Zeal out of the Omen.

why didnt the queen connect with lavos like she did when crono tried to stop her?

She wasn't there, for the above reason.

how did melchior end up in 1000AD when he wasn't rescued wrom mount Woe?

In the Lavos Timeline he was never sent there. You see, Janus, in his guise of the Prophet, told the queen Melchior is plotting against her. Thus, she sent him. In the Lavos Timeline, though, Janus probably died while fighting Lavos, never reaching Zeal, never warning the Queen, and Melchior remained at Zeal until the OP Incident.

[dick]

with the first question i meant..
how did the kingdom of Zeal come to an end?


yea you're probably right about Melchior never being send to Mount Woe in the pre-crono time..

but what u say about Janus dieing is incorrect.. since Magus/Janus wasn't send back to his own time (where he disguised himself as the prophet) before crono and friends messed up his summoning of lavos.

that brings me to the question: what happened with Magus summoning Lavos in the time before crono traveled back to 600AD

[Legend of the Past]

He died. Died. Lavos kicked his ass when he fought him in the Ocean Palace. He friggin died.

And the Kingdom of Zeal? The exact same way it did in Keystone Timeline 1: Lavos erupted and destroyed it.

[dick]

how can he die if he wasn't there.

or how was he there? if u say he died there

[Legend of the Past]

Janus died in his castle when he summoned Lavos. He summoned him, Lavos kicked his ass, Janus remained a lifeless body.

[dick]

ow like that..
sorry i understood you the wrong way..

I'm used to calling Janus Magus in 600AD, i thought you were talking about the OP event.
but you weren't, so you were right

[Sentenal]

Okay, here it goes:

Lavos destroyed it...

As for the fate of the Queen, I can only assume she died.

All 3 Gurus were not exiled in the original timeline.  They were all still advising the Queen, and doing what Gurus do.  It was the Prophet (who was not there in this timeline) that had them exiled.

He died. Died. Lavos kicked his ass when he fought him in the Ocean Palace. He friggin died.

He-was-not-there.  I hope thats a typo, and you ment Magus' Castle.

And I'm not sure where you got Schala teloporting herself and the Queen out of the Palace.

[teh Schala]

Schala had the ability to send Crono and the others to safety...but if Crono and the others weren't there, who would Schala teleport out of there?  Herself and her mother.

[DarkGizmo]

Possibly the advisor too : Dalton

I think he emant Magus got his ass kicked by Lavos in the Ocena palace thus there si no way he could have kill it in his castle

[V_Translanka]

The way I see it, the giganto gate could still have occurred regardless of Crono & Co's interruption, and thusly original timeline Magus could have gotten sent who-knows-where. Nothing specifically states that Lavos came and killed him.

[teh Schala]

The only clue, then, might be Heckran's line when you defeat him...  He seems to think that Magus created Lavos...and if he thinks this, it's safe to infer that the rest of the Mystics may believe this as well.

So, Magus summons Lavos so he can try to defeat him.  We do know he doesn't succeed, and his legend somehow gets passed down to the 1000-AD Mystics that he "created" Lavos.

More than likely, some creatures saw Magus casting a spell and then saw Lavos appear.  What happens after that, who knows.  Lavos had to have disappeared at some point...and if Magus was killed, the creatures didn't see that happen...otherwise the story would be different than "Magus created Lavos."

So, what happened then?

[Sentenal]

In Magus' flashback, I'm certain the Prophet was not there, and I don't remmber about Dalton.

As for Magus, he was casting a spell summoning Lavos when Crono and Frog attacked.  This interupted him, and messed the spell up.  Otherwise, Magus would have gotten his fight with Lavos.

[DarkGizmo]

Actully I think V_Translanka is a bit right in hsi non-sense.

I find IMO his attitude a little bit MAGUS-CAN'T-BE-KILLED->_<-!!!

but this spells seems really big, even for Magus. The only "proof" that I have is the fact that when Crono and co. shows up he doesn't say :"NO! please don't hurt me I must summon Lavos so I kick his ... hum shell"
he's pretty confident that his spell will work, but it doesn't and he blames it on the group.

In the Lavos timeline it was very different, Crono and co. didn't came so, maybe he summoned Lavos, if he did then he died for sure nothing to argue here (Imagine in new game + when Magus could beat Lavos 1 on 1 you start the game and no Lavos he died in 600 AD ), but if the spell was in fact too big for him he may have get crushed by it spells, got sent to anyother era except 12,000 BC (and where there were other gates). We have really no proof that Magus died, just that he wasn,t there after his Castle disapeared

[Sentenal]

Well, its not a big jump of logic to say he died.

-Lavos beat him down in Zeal, when Crono died.
-Magus was interupted by Crono when trying to summon him
-Nothing suggests that his spell would have still failed had Crono not interfered.
-Before Lavos showed up, Magus was not present in any timeline other than 600 in the war, and as Janus in 12,000bc.