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« Reply #60 on: July 29, 2005, 12:23:08 am »
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Lavos probably could change his genes... but such alteration should be intent.
And i don't see why Lavos would do that, unless he likes blondes :D


OMG LAVOS IZ TEH |-|0RnY LOLZ!!!!1!1!!!!1!!!11!

Sorry, that just popped into my head, hehe. :lol:  I don't think Lavos would really have a reason to do that.  Whatever though :P

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« Reply #61 on: July 29, 2005, 05:11:44 am »
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Lavos probably could change his genes... but such alteration should be intent.
And i don't see why Lavos would do that, unless he likes blondes :D


I wouldn't put it past him. He does have a girl wearing only underwear lodged in his head, so a thing for blondes doesn't seem to wild.

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« Reply #62 on: July 29, 2005, 05:35:20 am »
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I can just imagine Serge being like "WOO! Take it off!"

Anyway, as for this dying bullcrap, NO! Japanese entertainment is full of unnatural, natural, hair colors. Why should Zeal be different? Even if it wasn't magical, Zeal is arrogant enough to take the less practical answers. Why dye our hair to flaunt our magical power, when we can use our magical power to flaunt itself? Also, yea. Maidens that get absorbed by big demonic monsters tend to get their hair changed for some reason. Like Baten Kaitos, there was this one princess (Forgot her name again) who was absorbed by Malpercio, and when she was freed and purified from Malpercio's control, her hair changed from white, to blue.


Thank You.

Why is everyone going for the most simple explanation without rationally thinking for a second? This is what pisses me off so much. It's just as bad as everyone in the Chrono Compendium simply says "The entity did it" when theres a loop hole. Thats very pathetic. Find a justified retort and learn some debating skills. Without proof or counterclaim to my objective, I have herby proven more insight into why Schala's hair is natural and not blonde by dye.

And as I have been repeating for a few times... It is a Japanese game originally. Hair colour in Japanese anime and games is like based on the hair of Harajuku teens. Having weird hair colours naturally is normal. And if anyone bothered to look at the credits, Akira Toriyama was the one who made the sprites and alot of background layers. Akira Toriyama's mangas always have characters with radical hair colours, and never dyed either, but simply changing in hair style.

Now, to the Gene part. Kid is not a true replica of Schala. Kid at that moment was cloned of what Schala was, and most likely a not perfect form either. Schala has no white coloured bands on her face and elbow, unlike Kid who does.

By comparing pictures of Schala in Zeal before being merged with the TD, Schala's eyes were green. In CC, Schala's eyes are grey and almost faded, same with Kid. This means that in fact, Kid is only a replica of Schala at that point in time. Genetic information can be changed, I read a theory about it too. And we all know about Lavos. He has proven himself to extract the DNA of living organisms. By sucking's Schalas energy, in turn sucking away at her DNA, Genes etc. Pigmentation would lose it's colour. Lavos did not truely need Schala alive. If he were to simply drain her of all of her power, that would be a merge because he has her life spirit and energy in him.

And so far, I have not seen a retort to my idea of DNA draining, but rather comments that are off topic in a sence. Don't take me as being crude, I just want people to start giving me more definate responses to why. Quite frankly, It isn't pleasing to do research and make a theory when people simply disprove it without much evidance on their part.

BTW: I think I just found where Kid holds Schala's pendant on her body. By looking at a scene in CC, Kid reached down into her Shoe and pulled out something that resembles a necklase and it was glowing.... If anyone wants the picture, I'll post it up.

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« Reply #63 on: July 29, 2005, 01:23:58 pm »


Take one.  Seriously.  You need it.

This isn't worth getting all worked up over, Zaper.  I frankly don't care why Schala's hair is blond in one game and blue in the one before.  As for people disproving your theory without much evidence, you're not supporting your own with much either, besides "That's just Toriyama's style."

As for being off-topic, the original topic of this thread was a discussion of exactly how long Schala had been in the DBT, and as Kid said, "She's been waiting for over 10,000 years!"  It was a discussion of exactly what may have happened between the Ocean Palace Disaster and Serge's arrival, and I mentioned that I thought Schala and Lavos had been "duking it out" throwing magic at each other for thousands of years, and I was thus in awe of Schala's apparently godlike power and resilience to be able to withstand Lavos' attacks for so long.  The dye part is what was off topic.

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« Reply #64 on: July 29, 2005, 01:41:28 pm »
I got to Terra Tower today and beat the DG. And later on, the Flame says this:

  Now, go to the place where time
   became divided and weave the
   threads of time together again...
   Chrono Trigger!

Sounds to me like something Schala would say, rather then Lavos. So does this mean Schala has a measure of control over Lavos... More like being able to commune, but not have any control over her actions? Perhaps she's being merely suppressed, still free of mind, but not of her body?

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« Reply #65 on: July 29, 2005, 03:07:29 pm »
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By sucking's Schalas energy, in turn sucking away at her DNA, Genes etc. Pigmentation would lose it's colour


Oh my god, you're right! Lavos doesn't need to have a thing for blondes. Gray and blonde require the least amount of pigmentation. the Time Devourer doesn't want to fuse with her mind and become a new entity. It just wants to eat her.

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« Reply #66 on: July 29, 2005, 03:34:04 pm »
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By sucking's Schalas energy, in turn sucking away at her DNA, Genes etc. Pigmentation would lose it's colour


Oh my god, you're right! Lavos doesn't need to have a thing for blondes. Gray and blonde require the least amount of pigmentation. the Time Devourer doesn't want to fuse with her mind and become a new entity. It just wants to eat her.


Not eat. He wants to merge, and until he does, he'll just suck out as much as he can without killing her.

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« Reply #67 on: July 29, 2005, 06:15:32 pm »
aah but are you sure lavos does actaully want to merge? ive read that you do not know how the merge started, so if the merge is completely accident, are you sure lavos does want it.

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« Reply #68 on: July 29, 2005, 06:18:17 pm »
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aah but are you sure lavos does actaully want to merge? ive read that you do not know how the merge started, so if the merge is completely accident, are you sure lavos does want it.


Well, yes. If he woulden't want, he could just kill Schala, not keep her on his his back. If Lavos would of wanted to eat, he woulden't wait an extra minute to do so.

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« Reply #69 on: July 29, 2005, 06:46:37 pm »
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I can just imagine Serge being like "WOO! Take it off!"


Even though your comment was sarcastic, actually, he probably WOULD have been telling her to take off that underdress...just not for a sexual reason though.  Think about it, if she's been in here for more than 10,000 years without a change of clothes, and whatever fighting went on was fierce enough to tear up the rest of her outfit...can you imagine how SWEATY that underdress is?!  You can probably smell her from Opassa Beach! >_< :lol:

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« Reply #70 on: July 29, 2005, 09:27:18 pm »
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I got to Terra Tower today and beat the DG. And later on, the Flame says this:

  Now, go to the place where time
   became divided and weave the
   threads of time together again...
   Chrono Trigger!

Sounds to me like something Schala would say, rather then Lavos. So does this mean Schala has a measure of control over Lavos... More like being able to commune, but not have any control over her actions? Perhaps she's being merely suppressed, still free of mind, but not of her body?


Yeah, I'd kind of have to agree. I think it was stated somewhere in the game that Schala talked to Wazuki through the FF to get Serge to it so he can be healed or something. Though Schala is trapped to Lavos, I still think that she in a sence is an Arbiter.

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If you haven't noticed, I'm a die hard Schala fan. No one dares destroys the great sence that CT made about Schala.
Anyway. Toriyama's style was only one evidance. I've been saying it over and over again, Lavos does suck DNA/Genes and if he did, Schala would lose pigmentation. Because her Genes are altered, Kid would have the same structure as Schala at the time.

Besides my that Theory, I also don't disprove the theory that her blue hair was blue because magic sustained it, though there are downsides to that. It would mean Lavos was sucking her energy, litterally sucking away at her life force to get energy, Zeal's hair should have turned blonde or similar before she died and Magus' should have reverted to Blonde once he was drained of energy by Lavos. Hence this idea is shifty, but connects to my idea of it being natural. And no one even remembers that Zeal is A MAGICAL WORLD! Blue hair wouldn't be a far out thing to have as natural hair. BTW, Lucca's moms hair is blue too.

Also, A merge doesn't acctually have to have Schala sinking inside of Lavos. If Lavos and Schala were truely merging, Her feet would be like stuck inside that purple thing, but its not. As I believe, the shield around her is protecting her, causing Lavos to have to try and slowly drain energy till the shield comes down, and he can quickly drain all of it. It seems that Schala may possess heaps of energy, maybe more than the Dragon God. Because if the Dragon God was simply devoured in like a bite, Schala has lived over 10,000 years in there, still alive.

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« Reply #71 on: July 29, 2005, 10:20:15 pm »
Is it really necessary to explain how or why Schala's hair and clothing look different in Cross than in Trigger?  Personally, I just dismiss it as the different art styles.  Aside from Serge, who has traditional main-character-shade-of-blue hair, most human characters in Cross have realistic (or at least semi-realistic) hair colors.  This was probably a stylistic decision made early on, and Kid's character design was tailored to match.

In my opinion, there was probably no conscious decision to have Schala look different than she did before.  Kid's general appearance was probbaly already established back when Radical Dreamers was in pre-production, and the Cross team wanted to keep it basically intact.  Therefore, they realized at some point along the way that they should just use a modifed Kid sprite for Schala, because this way it would be made clear that the one is basically a reproduction of the other.

So anyway, if Schala's "change" was purely a pragmatic decision, with no basis in the storytelling aspect whatsoever, it needn't be worried over.  IMO.

OdF

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« Reply #72 on: July 30, 2005, 01:51:23 am »
Zaper: As I said earlier, the hair thing is what was off-topic.  We've been out of the hair topic for like a page now.  And something else I want to point out that you said...

Quote from: Zaperking
It seems that Schala may possess heaps of energy, maybe more than the Dragon God. Because if the Dragon God was simply devoured in like a bite, Schala has lived over 10,000 years in there, still alive.


Which proves part of the point I made in the ORIGINAL post of this thread:

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I was reading some people's theories on Schala...  I'm sure there's a hole in this one somewhere but here's what first struck me when I beat Chrono Cross.  See what you think.

We know Schala was immensely powerful...  More so than Zeal herself.  (And we know what a pain in the butt Zeal was to fight!)  It's also been asserted that time doesn't flow inside Lavos' pocket dimension, but only time-error...  Thus, Schala didn't age.  But what really hit me was the simple fact that she was still alive in 1020 AD!

Think about it...  Lavos couldn't have merged with her without a fight.  And according to CC, "half of her mind" was corrupted by Lavos while the other half remained pure and intact.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that it makes Schala seem almost godlike.  See, my thought is that as a result of Lavos being woken up in 12000 BC, he would have destroyed the world right then.  But when Crono and the others left, there was nothing left for Schala to do but fight.  It kind of makes me think Lavos was preoccupied by fighting Schala...and that he didn't actually finish overtaking her until 1999 AD, when she finally gave in and died.

Anyway, I just found it interesting to think of Lavos and Schala going at it for 13000 years, until eventually it came to a near stalemate as they couldn't even attack each other, but simply press their wills against one another.  I'm sure there's a hole in this somewhere, but what are your thoughts and reactions to this?

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« Reply #73 on: July 30, 2005, 05:49:34 am »
I agree. Schala rulz, ownz and pwnz. Seriously, Schala is the next best thing after Janus. :D

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« Reply #74 on: July 30, 2005, 06:18:38 am »
Which brings up another thing: Who is stronger? Schala or Janus? I use the term 'is' because i believe Magus is still alive.