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Hadriel

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« on: July 15, 2005, 08:36:44 am »

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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2005, 08:39:35 am »
Yeap, the world IS doomed. O____O

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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2005, 09:00:00 am »
OMFG.

PS: Who would pay 40,000$ for a mech????
PPS: Guess what...0 bids...i wunda why....

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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2005, 10:31:18 am »
ANYONE would pay $40,000 for a mech, let alone a combat model.  The projected costs for a F-22 JSF, of which both the U.S. and British militaries are slated to buy several hundred, if not thousand, are in the $50,000,000 per unit range.  Assuming this thing isn't photoshopped (and it looks awfully fake to me) all you'd have to do is put some heavy armor on it to cover the pilot from small arms fire and install some missiles and you'd have a viable anti-tank weapon.  The problem with current military vehicles is that weapons yield far outstrips protective capability; even a proximity missile explosion will easily disable an F-15.  The only militarily useful mech that's ever been shown is an Evangelion, and that's not even really a mech.  Of course you also have Megas, which has a button explicity labeled 'Destroy the World'.

But that aside, I feel sorry for the cops in the neighborhood of whoever buys this.

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2005, 10:43:40 am »
SWEET!

right now i am pissed that im not rich.
but yes it could be fake but if not... hehehehe :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2005, 11:12:41 am »
Quote from: saridon
SWEET!

right now i am pissed that im not rich.
but yes it could be fake but if not... hehehehe :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:


People like you are why the world is doomed.

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2005, 11:14:41 am »
How are we doomed anyway? Its just one of them? We could nuke it any old day if we wished (not us...the world!)




~LC

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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2005, 11:23:37 am »
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How are we doomed anyway? Its just one of them? We could nuke it any old day if we wished (not us...the world!)




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Yes, but momma Planet didn't raise no suicidal fools, though.

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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2005, 01:22:26 pm »
What amused me the most was the incorporation of twin flamethrowers. What would one intend to do with such a thing? Go on a pyromania spree?

Well, speaking as a mechanical engineer, I am certain that the design of this thing was an extrordinary pain, and that it was yet more difficult to actually construct. From the way the description sounded, it still does not work aright and is simply a basic prototype. As such, I do not think it is fake, it just does not work as well as some might think it to based upon the pictures. Such mechanical actuation is extremely difficult to put into practice, after all.

Moreover, I am uncertain about the purpose of this. As far as anti-tank platforms go, it would be a disaster. It has such a large crossection, and is so high, that a single shot could utterly destroy it. One is far better off using an A-10, as three rounds from its Avenger cannon can disable a Main Battle Tank... and that gun is of the rotary gatling type, as the mini-gun is, and so fires at something like 4000rounds/min. Couple that with Maverick fire-and-forget missiles, and you have the ultimate anti-tank platform in existance. As far as ground warfare goes, to effectively combat a tank, you would need something akin to a tank-destroyer, with sloped armour to defelect shells, and with an extremely low cross section (take the S-Tank, for example). Yet another good anti-tank type weapon is a simple squad armed with anti-tank missiles. All three of these, already in existance, are far superiour to any form of mech. Truly, the only purpose I would see in a mech would be lifting, as an advanced type of forklift (although the complexity would far outweigh the benefits), or perphaps, if they can make it extremely mobile, as anti-infantry assault armour. Even then, something of this size might be vulnerable to the grenades fired from next generation rifles. The problem with any mech is inherently that it is too visible, and too easily shot at: artillery could hit it, and if mechs were ever to be created, they would just pull out their cruise missles, or simply bring back the good old 500mm railroad guns, and down crash the mechs.

Oh, and as you were speaking of military vehical weapons power vs. armour, I am certain the reactive armour on an M1 could easily counter the power of an AP shell. As far as airborne craft go, an A-10 should easily be able to survive a near strike from a missile. The thing can fly without a wing, after all, and it would take something in the range of a 20mm cannon to actually pierce the titanium cockpit.

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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2005, 01:35:51 pm »
It's sated in teh description that he sells it so he could amke more for arena fighting

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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2005, 03:06:09 pm »
So basically what you're saying is that the only way mechs could ever be useful as anything besides a random curiosity and maybe an ESPN special is if they had a whole crapton of armor to make up for all their deficiencies.

Wonder when armored exoskeletons come out...

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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2005, 05:12:49 pm »
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What amused me the most was the incorporation of twin flamethrowers. What would one intend to do with such a thing? Go on a pyromania spree?


Ha ha, that made me laugh.

And, cool, a weapon debate! These are awesome by default.

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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2005, 10:50:42 pm »
Yeah, i always thought that mechas would be highly impractical in real world combat. The only reason they "own" in the animes is because they equip them with invulnerable shields and megacannons... that could have been equipped on tanks after all, for a much smaller price :D
Actually, the bipedal stance is very very unefficient, only good for animals in order to have an upper point of view... but these armoured vehicles are supposed to have radar and stuff, right? :D

Maybe walkers, like in Star Wars would be better... but those legs are way too long to be stable :D

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2005, 12:39:58 am »
Anyone play Mechwarrior 4 or 3, hum I don,t remember oh well you'r ein a mech and do some mission, some nerds at my school said that this game sucked, but I though otherwise so I asked why he said that if you take the small and lgihtest Mech and packed it will small missile you could run faster than every other mech and pressing the button that release each weapon in 1 strike at a leg.

I tried it and it did ruin the game, the game was so realistic that when you lose a leg you couldn't move or jsut lose, well you were enarly useless, and legs are weak, after I did that I really though that it sucked and I stop playing. Luckily I didn,t bough the game  :roll:

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2005, 05:47:10 am »
It's all about the spider legs from Armored Core.

And actually, with the shipping cost, that mech would be $46,000.

The reason Mechs are cool in cartoons & stuff is because they move at speeds proportionate to if they were like human size...ie they're faster than anything we could make now.