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« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2005, 05:52:39 pm »
I have all the Final Fantasy for Ps1, and I got bored out of the game and I appreciate good story... These are certainly not my style.

Everyoen said FF7 was the greatest FF of all time, so I tried it and I really didn't like it from the star, when people have sword and boss have gun, I dunno it seems really wierd and that Cloud guy with his friggin 23 feet sword... So I stopped playing.

Later I tried the IX, because the box seems more medieval (didn't tried the VIII yet gun and sword...) I played I think through the first CD, it was nice nothing too great but then it got boring and I never knew who the hell that evil guy was...

I asked around but everyoen todl em the ending sucked and the last boss you never met him etc... so I never finished a FF except the very first one on SNES.

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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2005, 05:59:57 pm »
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I have all the Final Fantasy for Ps1, and I got bored out of the game and I appreciate good story... These are certainly not my style.

Everyoen said FF7 was the greatest FF of all time, so I tried it and I really didn't like it from the star, when people have sword and boss have gun, I dunno it seems really wierd and that Cloud guy with his friggin 23 feet sword... So I stopped playing.

Later I tried the IX, because the box seems more medieval (didn't tried the VIII yet gun and sword...) I played I think through the first CD, it was nice nothing too great but then it got boring and I never knew who the hell that evil guy was...

I asked around but everyoen todl em the ending sucked and the last boss you never met him etc... so I never finished a FF except the very first one on SNES.


Let me get this straight. You didn't like FF VII because of the weapons? That's a dumb reason...

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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2005, 06:32:17 pm »
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FF XXX...

...Thoughts of Yuna, Aeris, and Tifa fill the air.

Good point about Metroid, though.  There's always hope.


Forget Yuna...  Rikku is where it's at! :D :lol:

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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2005, 06:43:18 pm »
Rikku can come, too.  So can Alaska, Hawai'i, and California.

On FF7: The oversized sword is awesome for humor value in the first half to two-thirds of the game.  But eventually you'll learn just why he's able to carry a sword that weighs like 20 planets.  Not only that, the materia system rules.  You can customize characters with whatever magic you want while still maintaining a sense of special talents being used.  Seeing him swing it around in Advent Children is crazy nuts, and should automatically earn Cloud a Ph.D. in everything from CGNU.

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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2005, 07:06:45 pm »
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On FF7: The oversized sword is awesome for humor value in the first half to two-thirds of the game.  But eventually you'll learn just why he's able to carry a sword that weighs like 20 planets.


Yeap, and you won't be joking after that. If you still will, after Tifa finds the "real" Cloud, you'll stop and start wandering how the heck Tifa got inside Cloud's brain. He's insane, not brain-less.

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Not only that, the materia system rules. You can customize characters with whatever magic you want while still maintaining a sense of special talents being used.


Heck yeah. Just a question: Am I the only one who thinks the Double Cut (Or whatever Materia it is that teachs you 2x\3x cut) is best used on Cloud? I managed to get Cloud to 6000 damage on level 60-70, with 2x cut. God, the damage on Omni-Slash.

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Seeing him swing it around in Advent Children is crazy nuts, and should automatically earn Cloud a Ph.D. in everything from CGNU.


Maybe, but it's still good old Cloud, and Jenova's Cells are still inside of him. On a different note, can anyone explain why, other then the fact it's cool, he uses his first and weakest weapon?

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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2005, 07:12:20 pm »
Meh, I didn't like FFVII either...Many reasons, but Clod's Buster Sword was definately one of them because it started the FF trend of making the main character's HAVING to have some ludicrous 'unique' weapon (Buster Sword, Gun Blade, Theif Sword...all bleh).

I don't think having guns and swords in the same game is bad, if it's done right (like FFTactics for example) because it's like a standard-and a lil cliche-thing that certain people are so awesome with a sword that even guns won't stop 'em.

FFVII had a boring, over-the-top storyline that just plain tried too hard and got little results (i still don't know anybody who doesn't argue what actually happens in the game) and the character development was also lacking.

Personally, I thought the Materia System was flawed. It was basically the Esper/Phantom Beast System from FFVII with minor-and lameafying (new word I use for FFVII!)-changes.

Personally, I see FFIX as the CT of the newer FFs (not including FFT which kicks all their asses into the ground). It was just a great, classic, cliche fest, very similar to CT in that regard. Yes, the final boss was just an add-on, but with most final bosses you always just get weird powered up versions of them that make little sense, so why not just throw in an additional final boss just for kicks instead of another boss power up?

jotabe1789, the other RPG you're probably talking about was Star Ocean. Although it seems like one of the Phantasy Star games should be on the list (wasn't Genesis more popular in Japan than NA?).

- About CT -

I think a remake-a true all out w/a new, uncensored, undefiled script-would do well because although everyone who's ever played CT loves it (besides the insane, of course), not everyone has access to it or has bothered to try it. Either due to system requirements or the fact that old school just isn't as big of a turn-on for some newer gamers.

I think a lot of newer gamers deserve-no, MUST-play CT because it's awesome and it would put newer RPGs to shame. Plus, if they gave us a truer translation, even the older gamers who got to play it would enjoy going through it again, but, really, even if it didn't, you know you'd still play it because CT rocks your fucking socks off. I wouldn't care if CT was CG FF-style or a nice cell shade either...Toriyama's designs fit nicely w/cell shading, I think.

Also, I think the Chrono series has a lot less exposure than the Metroid series...Metroid's practically a (gaming) household name and really has been since the NES & esp SNES days. Mostly Chrono is just RPGers...if that.

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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2005, 08:14:18 pm »
FF7 and FF8 where the best examples of rpgs where the main char is severely mentally handicapped (lol i still remember when, close to the beginning of the game Squall says "i dreamed i was a moron" and i was like "wake up! you are a moron!")... but that made them enjoyable, searching the reason their minds are so screwed lol ^_^ I loved those games.
Not so much FF9... i enjoyed it greatly while i played... but it didn't grew on me after i finished it.

Must... resist... the urge... to replay Xenogears...  :lol:

Phantasy Star? never played any, to be honest... and well, Genesis RPGs never sold nearly as much as SNES, for two reasons:
1.- There weren't nearly as many Megadrive/Genesis as there was Superfamicom/SNES, worldwide (specially in Japan, where most rpgs are sold).
2.- Genesis-only gamers were expecting mainly either sega arcade conversions or arcade like games. RPGamers had shifted notoriously to SNES.
So, if there was good rpgs in Sega, they were good games that noone (relatively ^_-) played.

Star Ocean isn't universally hailed. It has in his favour, the best snes-rpg graphics, and digitalized voices... but many people complain about the gameplay, including me :D lol Can someone explain me how to battle? lol

For a remake of CT, nowadays they should add a lot of eyecandy (just like the resurrection project was doing). A lot more cutscenes (yeah, maybe cellshading would do a lot of good). New scenes, sidequests and endings, with more char development.
But seriously. We are talking about a Square remake here. The same guys who, to remake CT, FF4,5,6 for PS, they just used the SNES rom, and created a PS emulator of SNES. The same guys that, for extra in-game content in the FFs remakes, they just put an intro and ending FMVs, that are not even proper intro and endings, but scenes taken from different points of the game. I don't have much hopes they would do any different in a hypotetical CT remake.

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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2005, 08:39:27 pm »
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On FF7: The oversized sword is awesome for humor value in the first half to two-thirds of the game.  But eventually you'll learn just why he's able to carry a sword that weighs like 20 planets.


Yeap, and you won't be joking after that. If you still will, after Tifa finds the "real" Cloud, you'll stop and start wandering how the heck Tifa got inside Cloud's brain. He's insane, not brain-less.

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Not only that, the materia system rules. You can customize characters with whatever magic you want while still maintaining a sense of special talents being used.


Heck yeah. Just a question: Am I the only one who thinks the Double Cut (Or whatever Materia it is that teachs you 2x\3x cut) is best used on Cloud? I managed to get Cloud to 6000 damage on level 60-70, with 2x cut. God, the damage on Omni-Slash.

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Seeing him swing it around in Advent Children is crazy nuts, and should automatically earn Cloud a Ph.D. in everything from CGNU.


Maybe, but it's still good old Cloud, and Jenova's Cells are still inside of him. On a different note, can anyone explain why, other then the fact it's cool, he uses his first and weakest weapon?


Why would you be the only one who thinks the Double Cut materia is best on Cloud?  Ultima Weapon gives 9999 damage on critical hits, and no fewer than 5000 damage if you're at least level 60.  With maxed stats and a leveled Double Cut (4xCut), you've got the potential to do 40,000 damage every time you attack with Cloud.  Omnislash gives 15 hits, and at 10k a pop it can own Safer Sephiroth in one hit.  Probably the only thing that can actually best Omnislash in damage is calling in the Highwind for a little airstrike action.  (I sing the Team America theme in my head whenever I think of that.)  

As for his massive sword, scaling calcs done on it suggest dimensions of at least six feet in length, one foot in width, and several inches thick, not to mention an approximate weight of 104 lbs.  One would have to be a Superman to actually use a Buster Sword, but thanks to his Jenova cells Cloud fits the bill.  I'm thinking that either the Buster Sword in AC is an upgraded version or it's all Cloud is able to wield due to Geostigma.

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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2005, 09:00:10 pm »
Team America? Are you talking about the song "A-A-America... FUCK YEA!" ? lol I liekd TA's music's

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You need a montage, even Rocky had a Montage

lol >_<

So it's actually explained in the game why Cloud could use a sword 6 feet long, oh well, how could I know, not a damn NPC or PC made any comment on it...

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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2005, 09:08:02 pm »
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Team America? Are you talking about the song "A-A-America... FUCK YEA!" ? lol I liekd TA's music's

Everyone ahs AIDS!
You need a montage, even Rocky had a Montage

lol >_<

So it's actually explained in the game why Cloud could use a sword 6 feet long, oh well, how could I know, not a damn NPC or PC made any comment on it...


Perhaps it uses some form of internal inertial stabalizers - thus allowing for the torque to be adjusted - and variable gravitional dampers - allowing the weight to be adjusted. This would then give one no more actual difficulty in using it than using a normal sword and, if more force is required on the downswing, it could be adjusted accordingly. After all, when you have such wacky things as Jenova, guns affixed to hands, and so forth, this is not improbable.

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« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2005, 09:38:46 pm »
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FF7 and FF8 where the best examples of rpgs where the main char is severely mentally handicapped (lol i still remember when, close to the beginning of the game Squall says "i dreamed i was a moron" and i was like "wake up! you are a moron!")...


Yeah, that's why I always refer to him as Clod. I think I liked Squall because in comparison to Zell he was king of the effing world.

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Not so much FF9... i enjoyed it greatly while i played... but it didn't grew on me after i finished it.


Yeah, Zidane was such a Locke knock off! :P

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Phantasy Star? never played any, to be honest...


The Phantasy Star series is actually pretty popular...PS4 is supposed to be really great, I played a lil bit of it and liked it.

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Star Ocean isn't universally hailed. It has in his favour, the best snes-rpg graphics, and digitalized voices... but many people complain about the gameplay, including me  lol Can someone explain me how to battle? lol


Yeah, the battle system definately takes some getting used to...Better than Tales of Phantasia though...

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For a remake of CT, nowadays they should add a lot of eyecandy (just like the resurrection project was doing). A lot more cutscenes (yeah, maybe cellshading would do a lot of good). New scenes, sidequests and endings, with more char development.


Meh, I dunno about NEW things..."If it aint broke...", as they say...I just want it how it was SUPPOSED to be (ie script) with what it CAN be (ie new graphics, sound, & music quality)...Nothing else is really necessary...Maybe some unlockable extras like from FFC...

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But seriously. We are talking about a Square remake here. The same guys who, to remake CT, FF4,5,6 for PS, they just used the SNES rom, and created a PS emulator of SNES. The same guys that, for extra in-game content in the FFs remakes, they just put an intro and ending FMVs, that are not even proper intro and endings, but scenes taken from different points of the game. I don't have much hopes they would do any different in a hypotetical CT remake.


Oh, you're just focusing on their past mistakes...What about Origins? What about those GBA versions? Hmmmm?

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« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2005, 10:00:09 pm »
Meh, Squall...wait, what the hell am I saying, he'd probably have an orgasm from reading that.  Seriously, you just know that the reason Squall's pissed off is that he's trying to hold in his deep-seated longing to snog Seifer.

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« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2005, 10:15:11 pm »
About ToP battle system... i can only say i loved it ^_^ somehow i got used to it instantly... and couldn't find any flaw. What is that you think that its flaws are? ^_^

You know, what really needs a remake "the way it was intended to be" is CC... with all the Magus stuff that didn't make it ^_^ I am not aware that they left out much stuff in CT, other than the singing mountain. Is there more i am not aware of? ^_^

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« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2005, 10:22:04 pm »
I was always under the impression that they nixed Magus from CC because he didn't vie w/the rest of the story...obviously it wasn't because they thought CC had too many characters...

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« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2005, 10:36:34 pm »
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You know, what really needs a remake "the way it was intended to be" is CC... with all the Magus stuff that didn't make it ^_^ I am not aware that they left out much stuff in CT, other than the singing mountain. Is there more i am not aware of? ^_^


From what I saw of the pre release, there was

The ruined coliseum
The blue pyramid dungeon
Zeal dungeon
Singing mountain - another prehistoric village

but these may have never been really though of, they maybe jsut put some cool stuff and removed them