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« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2005, 10:57:18 pm »
In the interview of Ultimania with Masato Kato, he said that when they began to add so many chars, they decided to drop all the Magus storyline. Other than that ^_^ i don't know.

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Question: It was mentioned in Lucca's letter that Janus existed. Did Janus ('Trigger's' Magus) appear at all in 'Cross'?

Answer: Originally, I wanted to write about Schala's and Janus's story after
that, but I gave up after we reached about 40 characters. I felt that writing
the close relation between Schala, Kid and Janus would impossible if I had to
squeeze the number of characters. As for Lucca's letter, when we started
developing for the game, the letter was written as Janus appearance was
planned. Lucca knew that Magus was in search of Schala, and since she didn't
even explicitly mention Janus's whereabouts, we left the letter as it is.

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« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2005, 11:25:49 pm »
That's weird...why would it be impossible to have that close relation if they lowered the number of characters? Also, I find it discomforting that Ultimania changed the names of the characters for his response...They should have just cleared what he was saying up by having the NA names in parenthesis...Also, it's fun to note that he calls him Janus.

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« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2005, 11:29:22 pm »
Well, this is fan-translation of the interview in Ultimania (Ultimania is full in Japanese). Maybe the translator took the freedom to convert the jap version names to the eng version ones.

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« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2005, 11:39:41 pm »
Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot that...Well then, whoever did it then...I'M DISCOMFORTED BY YOU!!!

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« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2005, 11:46:22 pm »
lol  :lol:

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« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2005, 11:49:16 pm »
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Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot that...Well then, whoever did it then...I'M DISCOMFORTED BY YOU!!!

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Does not Janus mean far more, and sound far better, than 'Jacky'. I mean, even the best translators of the Iliad don't always use the name Alexandros for Paris, nor spell it Akhilleus, nor yet call it Tros and Ilion, as should technically be done. Some go close, but very often we get such things as 'Ajax' and 'Athena', and 'Achilles', and so forth, and few seem to complain overmuch. Most of the NA names in CT seem far deeper and more mature than those in the Japanese version, and as such I much prefer them - not to mention that to most with western ears, such as me, Indo-European languages sound more beautiful than far Eastern ones do.

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« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2005, 12:02:04 am »
Can't be... they really called Jacky to Janus?  :shock:
I also prefer much better Schala to Sara, specially when pronounced S-ka-la ^_^

Anyway, i do not usually complain about names translation, unless the result is silly... mainly because in many cases, names contain sounds that cannot be reproduced in the target language; so, if you cannot be 100%, then you better do an adaptation. I never was fan of literal translations, but of "meaning+intention" translations. ^_^

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« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2005, 12:21:56 am »
Yeah, but there's a difference w/those Iliad namesand the CT names in that the Iliad ones seem rather exotic and hard to pronounce, whereas the CT names were extravagantly common (in NA anyways) and easy to pronounce. Jacky sounds more like a kid's name to me, yeah, and it's the name that they gave him, so I agree w/it. I mean, why fix what's not broken? Why give meaning for something that didn't need it nor was intended to have it?

I think both Maou and Kaeru are both more suiting than Magus and Frog. And they just sound cooler. :P

I don't see why the names were changed, I mean really though, "what's in a name...etc etc."

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« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2005, 01:13:28 am »
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Yeah, but there's a difference w/those Iliad namesand the CT names in that the Iliad ones seem rather exotic and hard to pronounce, whereas the CT names were extravagantly common (in NA anyways) and easy to pronounce. Jacky sounds more like a kid's name to me, yeah, and it's the name that they gave him, so I agree w/it. I mean, why fix what's not broken? Why give meaning for something that didn't need it nor was intended to have it?

I think both Maou and Kaeru are both more suiting than Magus and Frog. And they just sound cooler. :P

I don't see why the names were changed, I mean really though, "what's in a name...etc etc."


Well, if you quote 'what's in a name', you're shooting yourself in the foot quite badly. That is Juliet speaking the night regarding Romeo, unawares that he is listening. She says that if it is his name that keeps them apart, ie. he being a Montegue and she a Capulet, then why not simply change it, for is it the name that makes him who he is? A rose by any other name would spell as sweet. Essentially, by that reasoning, change Jacky to Janus by all means! It does not change who he is. Just a Shakespearean gripe.

Regarding the Iliad, though... I would disagree. Those names are every bit as easy to pronounce as the Japanese ones are! Maou... I don't exactly know how THAT should be said, and it sounds incredibly exotic and strange to my ears. Likewise Kaeru. Names like Athene and Alexandros and Akhilleus... well, those are far easier to pronounce in my opinion. After all, is not Alexander a common name?

Anyway, personally, though, I find the sound of Maou quite uncool, and far less ominous sounding that Magus. In fact, Maou almost sounds like a kid's word to my ears. I confess that Kaeru does sound better than Frog, although it's Japanese sound in a Middle-Ages setting is a little incongruous. Overall, the thing is, I've never really been a fan of much of the whole Japanese culture or language, being far more western-minded (for which I rarely watch anime). Thus I much prefer the western names to these things. The argument for Jacky is, Jacky sounds like a colloquial name, whereas Zeal is ancient. It doesn't fit right. The names must match the setting, and that one doesn't. To me, honestly, it DOES sound broken. Jacky does not sound like the name of the prince of an ancient kingdom. Janus does.

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« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2005, 01:29:49 am »
...Nor does "Sara" sound like the princess of an ancient kingdom.  Although the name did originate from God changing Sarai's name to Sarah all the way back in Genesis, so that's almost as ancient as it gets. :lol:  Still, "Schala" sounds even more ancient, not to mention regal.

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« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2005, 01:34:39 am »
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...Nor does "Sara" sound like the princess of an ancient kingdom.  Although the name did originate from God changing Sarai's name to Sarah all the way back in Genesis, so that's almost as ancient as it gets. :lol:  Still, "Schala" sounds even more ancient, not to mention regal.


But it likely wasn't pronounced 'Sair-ah' back then, nor is it so in Hebrew, I wager? Legend, what do you say?

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« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2005, 01:45:15 am »
Furthermore, about Maou, it is pronounced like "Mao Dze Dong", which would make american gamers if the game had political meaning lol. Also, Mao is the onomatopoeia for the cat meowing in many cases, so for me, it sounds a bit silly  :lol:

But one thing is true... maybe for japanese people, "jacky" sounds certainly exotic ^_^

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« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2005, 04:59:46 am »
Sarah is Saa-Rah (Like the egyptian Rah). Magus japanese name is Jaky (Demon energy\aura in japenese... Watching Anime really helps in these things). And, as for squeezing Janus in CC's plot... Add a couple of hours to Disc 2! It's only, what, 4-5 hours? The first disc is at least 20 hours, for crying out loud! It's not like the Time Devourer is really such a urgent boss to beat, he still has a couple houndred years to wake up.

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« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2005, 05:20:36 am »
Yeah...But the game is a FANTASY world...It's not the middle ages in our time, obviously...There's magic, monsters, and other bizzare crap going on. I think the original names fit it just fine. I don't see how you can argue the setting as not fitting with their names...The setting is a fantastic landscape where anybody can have any name...or hair color! 8) It just seems like you shouldn't have to change the name that the creator gave them...I mean, it's like adopting a kid and saying, nope, sorry kiddo, don't like the name your parents gave you, I'm changing it. Tough shit.

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« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2005, 06:05:41 am »
If he's a baby, you can actaully do that, you know... But yeah, a grown up kid has the right to resist.