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« Reply #120 on: July 23, 2005, 06:05:34 pm »
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Talk to some of the people in Ioka, and apart from the language, they seem stupid.


Ayla is definitely different from the other citizens of Ioka. Since the frozen flame hasn't taken effect yet, there has to be something else, exclusive to Ayla; dreamstone.

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Personally, I think Dreamstone is the Earth's counterpart to the FF.

Maybe the Dragonians advanced by using it. That would explain why Ayla only had one piece of Dreamstone etc.


Maybe magically reactive materials like lavos shell and dreamstone produce changes in the mind.  If the reptites/dragonians did advance using dreamstone, it explains why Azala used psychic powers during the fight with Black Tyrano, even when other reptites were restricted to physical attacks.  The only question is why the changes were so much greater in Azala than in Ayla.

One possibility is that reptites were Earth's chosen race, so they got more out of the dreamstone's power.

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« Reply #121 on: July 23, 2005, 08:02:48 pm »
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Talk to some of the people in Ioka, and apart from the language, they seem stupid.


Ayla is definitely different from the other citizens of Ioka. Since the frozen flame hasn't taken effect yet, there has to be something else, exclusive to Ayla; dreamstone.

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Personally, I think Dreamstone is the Earth's counterpart to the FF.

Maybe the Dragonians advanced by using it. That would explain why Ayla only had one piece of Dreamstone etc.


Maybe magically reactive materials like lavos shell and dreamstone produce changes in the mind.  If the reptites/dragonians did advance using dreamstone, it explains why Azala used psychic powers during the fight with Black Tyrano, even when other reptites were restricted to physical attacks.  The only question is why the changes were so much greater in Azala than in Ayla.

One possibility is that reptites were Earth's chosen race, so they got more out of the dreamstone's power.


The Dreamstone channals dreams. Not super-earth-power-energy. Elements actually do that. The Frozen Flame, though, does harbor a lot of energy. The Reptites evolved in a slow, long process. The reptites were there before the humans, so it's mentioned in the game. Maybe they were WAY earlier? Seriously, you act like the Reptites evolving into Dragonians was odd. They were a smart race, the kept breeding for 65 million years. Of course they'd evolve! Just like we did, so did they. The Chrono humans, though, didn't evolve. They mutated, their brain has tripled his size. The Dragonians name humans as the porognoy of Lavos. They acuse us but contradict their own bit of history: Humans were there before Lavos, and Lavos had not given birth to them in any kind of way. Just like the dwarves were able to think like a human, just like the Demi-Human mystics and El-Nido Demi-Humans could think like humans, so would human eventually would think like they do. It would take a long time, yes, but they would. The Frozen Flame though, made them three times smarter. It also placed a lot of malice in their heart, in a way "disconnecting" them from the Planet. However, the "connection" was not completly broken, because you can see Marle crying when she sees the world destroyed, or Serge taking the decision to save Schala and the future from doom or even Crono's sacrifice. They all show are humans are not fully the pieces of sh*t the Dragonians made them out to be... Just partially, though.

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« Reply #122 on: July 24, 2005, 01:06:23 am »
So are you saying that the humans after Lavos fall were there only because of Lavos? The Reptites/Dragonians were technically the 'chosen ones' of the earth, but instead Lavos fell and made the humans the 'chosen ones'?

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« Reply #123 on: July 24, 2005, 01:12:39 am »
Perhaps that was a misuse of language on my part.  When I mentioned the Reptite's development, I was thinking technologically.  The Dragonians have things in their fortress on the scale of Zeal.

My hypothesis was this: Ayla and Azala were both clearly superior to the rest of their people.  The only thing that makes Ayla unique from her village is having the piece of dreamstone.  It seems possible that Azala got a leg up on the rest of the reptites through the same process.  However, Azala is still far more intelligent than Ayla is, so perhaps dreamstone is more effective for the "chosen" race.  On the other hand, reptites could've just been that much smarter.

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« Reply #124 on: July 24, 2005, 01:14:45 am »
As i have said before, Zeal isnt necessarily a futuristic society, they are just an ADVANCED CIVILIZATION, there is a difference. Like look at their technology, they dont have computers or anything like that, in fact the only machine even seen is the M. Machine.

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« Reply #125 on: July 24, 2005, 01:40:00 am »
Not so.

There are robotic guards on the blackbird and Black Omen.  That's definitely futuristic.

   Even if they weren't using such things, they are still technologically advanced.  It's in a different direction from technology in the real world,  but that doesn't make it any less futuristic.  It only makes it powered by magic.

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« Reply #126 on: July 24, 2005, 01:44:27 am »
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It's in a different direction from technology in the real world


That's what im getting at.

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Not so.

There are robotic guards on the blackbird and Black Omen. That's definitely futuristic.


Im not counting the Black Omen or the Ocean Palace in this discussion because they are deffinately futuristic, it seems they were taking a different direction from the actual kingdom of zeal itself.

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« Reply #127 on: July 24, 2005, 09:47:01 am »
Just remember that Ayla was the best of her tribe, but physically. Ioka tribe chosed the strongest among them as their leader, while Laruba tribe chosed the wisest one.

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« Reply #128 on: July 24, 2005, 10:17:46 am »
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It's in a different direction from technology in the real world


That's what im getting at.

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Not so.

There are robotic guards on the blackbird and Black Omen. That's definitely futuristic.


Im not counting the Black Omen or the Ocean Palace in this discussion because they are deffinately futuristic, it seems they were taking a different direction from the actual kingdom of zeal itself.


Half of the things on the Black Omen are mutants.... The Ocean Palace and Black Omen are very different, the interior to be exact.

The Black Omen is similar to the Black Bird with technology. They have lasers, but magical in fact.

The only technology in the Ocean Palace is the elevator pretty much and the mammon machine and the teleporter. The monsters are normal mystic like ones. The technology is Zealian. Even the statues are Zealian. It's when it becomes the Black Omen, that is when it gets the bit more technological side, but that may be because the Omen transends time and they can get technology from the future.

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« Reply #129 on: July 24, 2005, 07:15:29 pm »
The blackbird was the only technological marvel the Kingdom itself had,  I suppose. Still, Dalton puts a jet engine on epoch.


Why are we even having this discussion?  Dragonians didn't use electricity based technology either.  Everything was controlled by element power,  as opposed to Lavos energy in the kingdom of Zeal.

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« Reply #130 on: July 25, 2005, 03:08:14 am »
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They have lasers, but magical in fact.


Where do you get this supposed "fact"?

There are also the many holograms within the Black Omen: Queen Zeal herself and Crono & Co. The Blackbird itself is a technological marvel, as is the Epoch, the Epoch's wings, the Time Egg (dependant upon when it was created, but still a technology developed from a Zealian mind), any guns you find in Zeal (don't actually remember if there are any, but I figured there's probably one, right?), plus, if the monsters on the Black Omen/Ocean Palace are mutants, that right there is a techological marvel, yes?

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« Reply #131 on: July 25, 2005, 05:04:09 am »
1. There are no guns in Zeal. There were flames being shot from a statue though.

2. The Laser guard thingies had magical attacks, I don't remember the names, I'll try and go fight them.

3. Just because they are mutants, doesn't mean its a technological marvel. It's more of an accident at best, but most likely not even by Zealian hand. The mutants themselves resemble the ones from the Lab in 2,300AD. And the Black Omen is twisted, containing all these dark monsters, probably changed by Lavos' power or being close to him.

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« Reply #132 on: July 25, 2005, 07:22:35 am »
Just because they have magical attacks doesn't mean they aren't technological. Take Robo for example. His laser weapons function as magical attacks, but they are technology first, magic second.

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« Reply #133 on: July 25, 2005, 07:47:43 am »
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Just because they have magical attacks doesn't mean they aren't technological. Take Robo for example. His laser weapons function as magical attacks, but they are technology first, magic second.


They don't function as magic, they just have the same effect magic has. You don't see Robo giving damage like Dark Eternal or Dark Hole, do you?

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« Reply #134 on: July 25, 2005, 07:58:17 am »
Yeah, i agree on that: technological attacks, as Spekkio says, deal damage with the same effect as dark magic, not that it is actually dark magic. I have always thought, however that dark magic, at least in CT, is kind of product of the research in magic. We see that for example, Delta Attack is dark, but it requires the conjunction of the three different magical "flavours". Dark mages, like Janus, have devoted their life to study and practise magic, in their three flavours... and as a result of this, a fourth flavour appear.

What i mean is that the dark damage would appear from the research, whether it is technological or magical.  :wink: