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[Zaperking]

It's even stated that Janus had no magical energy.

It was also stated Janus harbors greater power then Schala and the Queen.

Because it had not maifested yet.  It maifested when Ozzie and the mystics taught him his magic.

So what? Janus STILL has twenty years to study magic.

That's what he was trying to say, I think.

[Legend of the Past]

Okay. So he still had loads of time to study magic. My theory is proven. Any reply?

[Sentenal]

Eh, no, he probably learned magic the exact same way Crono did, except he learned it from ozzie/mystics rather than spekkio.

[Legend of the Past]

Eh, no, he probably learned magic the exact same way Crono did, except he learned it from ozzie/mystics rather than spekkio.

So he kept studying after learning magic! What friggin matter does it make?!

[Zaperking]

We're proving the point that Janus never studies magic in Zeal, and didn't have to read it from books, since it is stated that his power is different and Arcane, unlike the Mystics'. I think he had it in him, but didn't know how to unleash it properly.  Probably went up to a tree, pointed his hands at it for a while and it set on fire XD

[Legend of the Past]

We're proving the point that Janus never studies magic in Zeal, and didn't have to read it from books, since it is stated that his power is different and Arcane, unlike the Mystics'. I think he had it in him, but didn't know how to unleash it properly.  Probably went up to a tree, pointed his hands at it for a while and it set on fire XD

Okay, so how's that connected to the balance between the four elements?

[Lordchander]

My theory is that Janus, when he came into contact with the Mystics, actually gained a different form of magic. He has no speck of magic within in him because the Magic of Zeal isnt his type! This works in a similar way to how Pug is Raymond E. Fiests classic "Magician", Pug tried to learn the "Lower Path" magic but couldn't, he was then forced to go to a 'school' in another world (one go in too deep), where he fluently learnt the "Upper Path", he then became like the greatest magician alive!

Summary: Janus' mind wasnt ment for the Magic of Zeal, but for the Mystics magic instead.

[Zaperking]

Nah, A lady says that Magus' power is different from the Mystic. He has arcane powers whilst the Mystics have a different one, probably a half formed elemental power.

Anyway @Legend of the Past:
I never said anything was connected to the 4 elements in that statement.. I'm talking about how Janus' power probably was unleashed.

And anyway, Shadow magic was kind of stated in the game by numerous people that it builds the blocks of matter of the universe, and is basically all the elemnts combined to make it.

[Lordchander]

And anyway, Shadow magic was kind of stated in the game by numerous people that it builds the blocks of matter of the universe, and is basically all the elemnts combined to make it.

As i thought, and there was Legend going on about colours and stuff! Its about the magic itself, Shadow is nothing like a normal elemental power. Some say that the Earth is made up of four elements: Earth (no duh), Fire, Air and Water. Now if we got a hold of all these Elements, then we would get Shadow.

Also, Shadow kind of works like the colour brown, mix any 3 colours together continusly and you will get brown. So 2 elements together dont make Shadow, only 3 or more can (like that Crono, Lucca, Frog triple tech, cant remember name, that 3 elements)

[Zaperking]

It was Delta Force and Delta 'something', either consisting of Frog or Marle being the water/ice magic.

And when they do they triple attack, theres a rift of dark patterns moving across the prism. It probably is the shadow magic being produced. The game makers otherwise wouldn't put black in there, if it's based on those magic elements. And since Magus has all the magic types, but is Shadow really, then that means that along with Shadow, or to produce it, the others have to be made.

[AuraTwilight]

Or more simply, We could have the four elements, like the four elemental planes, and Light and Shadow (White and Black) As the positive and negative energy planes. Really, merging the elements to get Shadow is ridiculous. Because when merging the elements to get Chrono Cross and the Song of Life, we just get a really, really, dark Shadow. Which helps no one in the Schala/Lavos/split timeline situation.

[jotabe1789]

Well, in CT, even when saying elements for Lightning, Fire and Ice/Water, they are not really elements, as they are in CC. I would call them better magic "flavours". It would make sense that, when you master the three flavours and mix them, you can develop a 4th flavour: shadow.

[V_Translanka]

No offence, but calling them flavours/flavors is retarded beyond all belief. Yeah, that's right! I said, "no offence" and then was really offensive! What? WHAT!?!?

They are mentioned as being elements in CT, so if anything, you should call the Elements in CC something retarded. Or you can just not say anything about those and know that when someone's talking about Water, Fire, Lightning/Heavenly, and Shadow elements, they're talking about CT Magic.

Also, my point about what do you get when you combine Fire & Water Magic is that, yes, you get Antipode, but WHAT Magical element IS Antipode? That's right, Shadow. Most imbalances in the Magical elements seem to cause the creation of Shadow Magic.

[Oswego del Fuego]

This is probably going to be a somewhat unpopular opinion, BUT... I always thought that "Lightning" was a better translation choice than "Heaven" for the name of Crono's magic, even though it is the less technically-correct option.  Why?  Because of what we're discussing here.

Calling Crono's magic "Heaven" implies that it is the counterbalance to Shadow, much as one might infer that Fire and Water counterbalance.  In terms of how magic actually works in the game, however, this isn't the case at all.  As V_Translanka points out, all double and triple techs that combine magic types result in Shadow.  Clearly Shadow, aside from being a unique element unto itself, is also what results from any other combination of elements.  In other words, Lightning, Fire, and Water are equals and of a similar nature, while Shadow is something different from and perhaps greater than the others.

Personally, I like this arrangement.  First of all, it keeps Lightning, Fire, and Water (Ice) on equal footing, as they have traditionallly been in Square games (re: Final Fantasy).  It also keeps Crono, Lucca, and Marle equal partners in their magical triad.  And, most importantly, it makes Magus extra cool for using Shadow magic.  

So, yeah, it may be another Woolseyism-that-piggybacks-off-of-FF, ala calling the legendary sword "Masamune," but this sort of thing is the reason why I've always loved Woolsey.

OdF

[V_Translanka]

Well, like I always like to specify, it wasn't really supposed to be 'heaven' exactly, but heavenly, or, more accurately than that, 'from the heavens'. Lightning comes from the heavens and it also gives Crono the Life spell, which, when restricted to 'Lightning' makes little sense...