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« Reply #90 on: July 23, 2005, 01:49:16 am »
Well, Ayla has a tail for one.. Ape... Ape... Ape...

And if the FF did fall to Earth before Lavos, like a ground fisher, there was really no proof that they evolved fast. I think the gap between the reptites and humans depicts that it was all normal before Lavos fell. 65,000,000BC in our time would probably be a time before human's existed, but maybe the earliest of primates existed.

And due to CC game evidance, the human's brain advanced around 3,000,000BC when they came in contact with the Frozen Flame.

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« Reply #91 on: July 23, 2005, 02:00:57 am »
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Well, Ayla has a tail for one.. Ape... Ape... Ape...

And if the FF did fall to Earth before Lavos, like a ground fisher, there was really no proof that they evolved fast. I think the gap between the reptites and humans depicts that it was all normal before Lavos fell. 65,000,000BC in our time would probably be a time before human's existed, but maybe the earliest of primates existed.

And due to CC game evidance, the human's brain advanced around 3,000,000BC when they came in contact with the Frozen Flame.


Lies, do not believe them. That is not evidence, that is hate literature. You would believe the words written on the very walls of the throne room of the Dragons? They were the mortal enemies of humanity, who destroyed them! Would they say aught but evil about their foes? Certainly, they would speak thus of humanity. But clearly Ayla in 65million BC was capable of abstract thought, far more than that accursed carving allows for. Does she not theorize on a being beyond knowledge - something she has never seen, and thus only can imagine abstractly - when sitting about the campfire? Does she not clearly understand the concept of death, as well as certain philisophical ideals? Chrono Trigger shows this, it is undeniable. But what is said by the Dragons... can be doubted. In this regard, I have ALWAYS sided with Chrono Trigger, and always will. It was not the Flame that changed humanity. If anything, it was the Dreamstone. For if nothing else, that is said by the book in Zeal. So, who do you want to believe: accursed Dragons, or a Master of the Ancient World?

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« Reply #92 on: July 23, 2005, 02:36:28 am »
I just though about something, I think you see no other Reptites talking? Maybe Azala is leading them but he/she is the only one really evolve to that point, maybe this doesn't help, but it is a nice inof (If I am right)

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« Reply #93 on: July 23, 2005, 04:47:50 am »
Nah... i think Azala is phisiologically very much like the other reptites. And look at the overgrown heads of the reptites... very human-like ^_^

I always thought like Krispin says, since i saw that scene in CC... what we see in CC is just a tale told by other people, while in CT we see the real thing. And Ayla is intelligent, and the people on Laruba is led by the wisest, something that is sign of intelligence.

About the indians: the real reason is that the English was not their language. The same way that the English (the reptite language?) was not the native language of the Iokans. Remember that Lavos is a Iokan word, that means "big fire". Actually, what seems is that the humans are slowly stopping to use their own language and adopting the language of the most evolved culture, the reptite culture. But when they see something astounding (like Lavos approaching the planet), they cannot help returning to their native language. And of course the would use the reptite language whenever you are present, since you are a stranger, and they would think it would be more likely if you knew the reptite language than the Iokan.
I don't know much about indian languages, but from what i know, at least in the central and southern american, languages were pretty evolved, looking like latin. Actually, historians have recorded that Spain abandoned the idea of making the indians learn Spanish, because it was hard for them, but instead, they learned Latin pretty quickly, becoming even more proficient at it than Spaniards (for people in doubt about this, the indians were only forced to learn Spanish when the colonies became independent).

For godness sake!!!  :lol: Ayla has no tail!!!  :lol: It's part of her clothing!!! ^_- i would love that they showed Ayla clotheless to prove this point  :shock:

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« Reply #94 on: July 23, 2005, 04:52:01 am »
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Well, Ayla has a tail for one.. Ape... Ape... Ape...

And if the FF did fall to Earth before Lavos, like a ground fisher, there was really no proof that they evolved fast. I think the gap between the reptites and humans depicts that it was all normal before Lavos fell. 65,000,000BC in our time would probably be a time before human's existed, but maybe the earliest of primates existed.

And due to CC game evidance, the human's brain advanced around 3,000,000BC when they came in contact with the Frozen Flame.


Ayla is the only prehistoric denizen with a tail.  Leads me to believe she might be a little bit different. I had no idea the frozen flame didn't have any effect until 3,000,000.  Good thing I'm playing through Chrono Cross again.

Even if FF didn't really change humanity, it is still the source of Zeal's power.   Is it possible that  magic is what the dragons are referring to?

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« Reply #95 on: July 23, 2005, 05:03:47 am »
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Lies, do not believe them. That is not evidence, that is hate literature. You would believe the words written on the very walls of the throne room of the Dragons? They were the mortal enemies of humanity, who destroyed them! Would they say aught but evil about their foes? Certainly, they would speak thus of humanity. But clearly Ayla in 65million BC was capable of abstract thought, far more than that accursed carving allows for. Does she not theorize on a being beyond knowledge - something she has never seen, and thus only can imagine abstractly - when sitting about the campfire? Does she not clearly understand the concept of death, as well as certain philisophical ideals? Chrono Trigger shows this, it is undeniable. But what is said by the Dragons... can be doubted. In this regard, I have ALWAYS sided with Chrono Trigger, and always will. It was not the Flame that changed humanity. If anything, it was the Dreamstone. For if nothing else, that is said by the book in Zeal. So, who do you want to believe: accursed Dragons, or a Master of the Ancient World?


I am most definately siding with Daniel here. If you were the enemy of another civ, would wright down all their information and stuff. Personally, i dont even see why its written their in the first place.

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I just though about something, I think you see no other Reptites talking? Maybe Azala is leading them but he/she is the only one really evolve to that point, maybe this doesn't help, but it is a nice inof (If I am right)


To add to this, i dont think you even see any other reptites at all anyway (could be mistaken though, havent played CT in a long year), all the other things in the lairs are nothing but dinosaurs! Nizbel is probably the closest thing to being a reptite (in the midst of the evolutionary changes), even though he never speaks and comes back from the dead. Or does he?



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« Reply #96 on: July 23, 2005, 05:05:27 am »
It might be possible... the evolution into magic might be a second kind of evolution, that brings the beings into a "higher level of existence"... reptites and henceforth dragonians had enjoyed it because of the use of the planet elementals. Humans did so through the Frozen Flame... though in Zeal records they say that magic touched the human kind when they found the dreamstone.
Unfortunately, we don't know when the Kingdom of Zeal appeared... and in the times of Ayla, there was dreamstone and they had no magic... maybe it was the fusing of the two read stones? maybe it was a lavos shard merged with dreamstone what created the Frozen Flame?
Zeals records are fragmentary at best, and Dragonian are politically biased. We can only speculate  :lol:  8)

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« Reply #97 on: July 23, 2005, 05:08:03 am »
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To add to this, i dont think you even see any other reptites at all anyway (could be mistaken though, havent played CT in a long year), all the other things in the lairs are nothing but dinosaurs! Nizbel is probably the closest thing to being a reptite (in the midst of the evolutionary changes), even though he never speaks and comes back from the dead. Or does he?

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Reptites are those big-headed "dinosaurs" that attack you as you appear the first time in 65,000,000AC, and that Ayla helps you to fight.

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« Reply #98 on: July 23, 2005, 05:09:27 am »
Cant quite...oh! Got it! Remember, as I said before, i havent played in long time (Ayla speech any1?), is there other Reptites apart from that few?

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« Reply #99 on: July 23, 2005, 05:14:05 am »
Yeah, they appear in the 3 "dungeons" of 65,000,000AC: in the jungle maze, in the reptite lair close to Ioka village and in the Tyranno Lair... usually they seem sort of using other unevolved dinosaurs to attack, since themselves they are pretty weak (i think they can use magic, though... not sure... damn, i just played it through like 5 days ago and i already forgot lol  :lol: )

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« Reply #100 on: July 23, 2005, 05:31:25 am »
if u forgot after 5 days, wat about me! 1 whole year and i only just remember Schala and Crono's name.

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« Reply #101 on: July 23, 2005, 05:31:41 am »
if u forgot after 5 days, wat about me! 1 whole year and i only just remember Schala and Crono's name! Also, how many is there (approx.)?

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« Reply #102 on: July 23, 2005, 05:34:55 am »
How many reptites?... i wouldn't be able to say... but much more than humans, anyway. On a rough approximation... maybe between 20 and 40? and well, then they regenerate, as well.

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« Reply #103 on: July 23, 2005, 05:41:19 am »
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Umaybe it was the fusing of the two read stones? maybe it was a lavos shard merged with dreamstone what created the Frozen Flame?


Quite a hypothesis.  We know that dreamstone's most prominent property is resonating well with Lavos energies.  The reason for this is probably that lavos's powers are of a somewhat magical origin, and dreamstone is something of a conductor of magic.  So your idea seems to quite soundly wrap up the conundrum.  Nice.

About the reptites, they cannot use magic.  Just throw sleep bombs and hit you.

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« Reply #104 on: July 23, 2005, 05:45:36 am »
Before i can argue against this, i need to know a few things:

a. Does it state in CT or CC (anywhere) that the FF is a piece Lavos (cant remember see)

b. Does the Ultimania Guide state it (yes, i know it not a trustworthy source though)