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CatchRBFivy

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« Reply #60 on: July 20, 2005, 01:13:48 am »
I always assumed after playing through that part that Lavos just went back to his dormant DNA harvesting stage, not actually left the planet or whatever realm he resides.

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« Reply #61 on: July 20, 2005, 02:50:31 am »
It's game evidence. And if you look at the next Tab that use talk to, it says that before he loses his sanity he will finish the Wings of Time and stuff.

And his Nu doesn't seem crazy, when he is in the Nu. I think the game only suggests it, but it doesn't mean it's true. Ofcourse anyone in 2,400 AD would think hes a crack pot if he talked about a magic land of Zeal. DUH!

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« Reply #62 on: July 20, 2005, 02:30:13 pm »
yeah, and for saying that an egg he invented can bring a person back to life if they find a clone.

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« Reply #63 on: July 20, 2005, 02:52:30 pm »
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yeah, and for saying that an egg he invented can bring a person back to life if they find a clone.


Err, Gaspar made that egg, not Belthasar.

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« Reply #64 on: July 20, 2005, 02:56:34 pm »
then just change invented to knew of........ :oops:

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« Reply #65 on: September 04, 2005, 05:35:49 pm »
Yes, im thinking that when he failed to summon lavos and the portal opened, the castle and surrounding area were probably destroyed from the emence ammount of power.

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« Reply #66 on: September 05, 2005, 02:21:38 am »
Here's my theory of the original timeline, when Crono & Co didn't interfere:

Lavos awakens at Ocean Palace, warps Gurus and Janus.

Janus is warped forward in time to 600AD.

Janus becomes Magus.

Magus summons Lavos.

Lavos warps Magus back to 12000AD.

Magus disguises himself as the Prophet.

Magus gets incinerated or otherwise devoured by Lavos when he faces off with Lavos by himself, when Crono was the one who got incinerated the second time around.

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As to what happens to the castle, the summoning of Lavos either sploded it, or sent it to another time period.

Think about it; the second time around, Crono & Co are warped back to 65million BC, and Magus to 12000BC. The castle could've ended up someplace else as well.

Magus's Castle might've even also been warped back to 65million BC along with Crono & Co, and the Reptites used the remnants of Magus's Castle to craft the Tyrano Lair.

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As to what happens to Ozzie in the original timeline in which Crono interfered, either he survived or died. If he survived, he then told his descendants of the great ambitions of Magus. Otherwise, if Ozzie died, then it was only the remaining Mystics left to worship Magus for his ambition.

Remember, it is because of our arrival the first time in Medina, in 1000AD, that we first find out about Magus, and the Mystics tell us his (false) ambitions to kill off all of humanity.

But when Crono & Co interfered, Ozzie must've taken Magus for dead and instead told his descendants of his own exploits.

My guess, the first time around, Ozzie died, but when Crono & Co interfered, Ozzie decided to get away to tell the tale.

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« Reply #67 on: September 05, 2005, 03:11:00 pm »
I thought the game said that originally Magus summonded Lavos and died... Maybe I'm making that up, or maybe it was just a cover-up for being transported back in time, but I got the impression that Crono's interference was what made Magus get sent back

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« Reply #68 on: September 05, 2005, 04:39:17 pm »
Yeah, that portal was just a big yawn. Actually comparing those two cases as two events with similar outcomes is pointless, as the events are different. In one, Lavos awakenes completly. In another, Lavos just hardly awakenes. Different amounts of energy, plus the fact the gate Magus tried to open to Lavos' PD backfired and sent him elsewhere in Keystone Timeline 1. In another, Magus goes to Lavos' PD and gets totally ass-kicked. He puts up a nice fight... But still goes down. To a pile of dust.

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« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2005, 07:50:35 pm »
the whole summoning part is weird, like are we dealing with a god of war? or an alien come to destroy or study earth?

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« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2005, 08:35:58 pm »
Here is how the original timeline played out:

12,000bc, Janus and Guru's are warped.

Janus arrives in 600ad, becomes Magus.

Magus summons Lavos.

Magus either dies, is teleported to a period that we don't see/affects the game, or is teleported to 12,000bc where he does NOT become the prophet, or interfer in anyway.

We KNOW the is no Prophet in the oringal timeline.  Magus's memory does not have a prophet, and if there were, we would have a nice causal loop, which for the most part, do not exist in CT.

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« Reply #71 on: September 21, 2005, 10:32:47 pm »
They do exist, but we have theories which try to undermine them :P

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« Reply #72 on: September 22, 2005, 12:31:05 am »
One "exists", and its universally/non-zaper accepted to be an inconsistancy/plothole.

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« Reply #73 on: September 22, 2005, 06:49:45 am »
That's because Game Evidence doesn't state or truely support them, in which case the plothole truely isn't a plot hole, and is only deemed a plothole cuz your theories don't work if it wasn't.

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« Reply #74 on: September 22, 2005, 06:14:34 pm »
Zaper, if that one plothole is considered canon, then it means that CT is completely inconsistant with itself.  Ton and tons of counter example proving it to be a plothole.